[RCD] too late to offer feedback on larry?

Benjamin Connelly ben at electricembers.net
Sat Jul 28 05:28:07 CEST 2012

I hear 0.8 is almost ready to be released. Exciting (and anxiety 
producing ;)

I really love the new artwork/icons, but below is a list of things I'd 
love to see improved with the skin before feeling comfortable rolling it 
out to our users. (I'm testing code grabbed daily using

  git clone https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail.git

Is this the best way to test the latest changes?)

0) I have a 1024x768 display, and if I reset the zoom level (ctrl+0) in 
the browser, then the mailbox view (with or without preview pane) does 
not fit on the screen. A horizontal scroll bar appears, but who want's 
to have to scroll right just to see the "Settings" and "Logout" buttons, 
half of "Address Book" button, columns right of Date etc.? It takes two 
zoom out's (ctrl+-) to get to a point where the horizontal scroll bar 
goes away, but at that point the text is uncomfortably small. At 1280 
this is not a problem.

1) In "Settings" at this 1024 resolution, a lot of the various sections 
create a horizontal scroll bar in the third (far right) pane. I think 
they layout of 3 columns is nifty, but also a lot of screen real estate 
gets wasted and all the content feels cramped to the right. Especially 
true with more complicated areas like the managesieve plugin's filter 
form. I actually prefer the old "tabs" for the first level of hierarchy 
in settings, then a two column view with plenty of room to work with the 
actual content in a wider right column.

2) I really like that Larry shows who you're logged in as, but that top 
bar with just "about" on the left and these items on the right also 
seems to consume a bit more real estate than it actually needs.

3) The next bar down is even thicker, and seems to create a big void of 
unusable space top center, pushing everything down.

4) With the status messages moved to the bottom of the screen means 
there is yet another blank bar down there most of the time, instead of 
sometimes using the empty real estate top center as the old skin did.

5) I actually prefer the way the old skin had a soft fading dividing 
line between the "Mail, Address Book, Settings, Logout" buttons, instead 
of being hard all the way across. And the gradient of this new "Mail, 
Address Book, Settings" button bar seems messy between the gorgeous 
light and dark grey linen textures (especially the way the active button 
has it's gradient reversed.) Couldn't they all just be the ligher grey 
linen texture?

6) The folder actions icon seems inordinately large. Also in Settings -> 
Folders and Identities, those similar icons (new identity, add a folder, 
folder actions) seem big to me. And in addressbook.

7) In composing messages, the body box seems cramped, and almost a 
little hard to know it's there, or where it is. (Old skin had nice thin 
black lines and clean white. Now I find myself squinting to make out 
subtly greyer areas around the various rectangles.) Is it possible to 
not have the attachments column to the right, unless the user has 
actually clicked the button above to "Attach" a file?  (it also adds a 
redundant redundant "Attach a file" button.)

8) The new feature of having the addressbook contacts appear to the left 
seems nifty. Is it possible to expand them by default? Without clicking 
"Personal addreses", folks might not know how useful this can be ;)

9) The various blues and greys and just aren't doing it for me. It feels 
branded but not in our company's colors. Any hope for configurability, 
or something a little more neutral (whiter?) (Or perhaps we can just 
tweak the CSS to use different colors?)

10) "threads" vs "list" buttons are not super obvious to me which is 
active, and when clicked they seem to leave a dotted blue box around 
them going all the way to the left edge of the screen, until I click 

11) when viewing a message not just in the preview pane (but by double 
clicking it) the "Back" button creates a strange vertical line to the 
left of it in the linen texture -- much like the "Reply All" and 
"Forward" buttons have to their right, but that's because they have drop 
down list options. This is a super duper minor critique.

I feel terrible laying all this on what has been a tremendous effort! I 
just wanted to share my honest opinion / impression.

ben at electricembers.net

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