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New Wiki/site location
by Mark Mackay - Orcon 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Hi guys - I'm getting a bit confused with the recent posts about wiki, trac, etc - and can't seem to find the "official" Wiki/site. http://beta.roundcube.net doesn't seem to resolve for me, and there's obviously http://roundcubewiki.baizman.net which has sprouted up too, but doesn't seem truly "active" yet. Can one of the official developers shout out with what the official plan is, so we don't end up with information splintering? Cheers, Mark.

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Suggested Wiki Structure
by Geoffrey McCaleb 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Hi All, As it looks like we are looking to quickly ramp up a project Wiki, I just wanted to throw out a suggest structure to get started with. I've found that it is easy to add/remove pages as need be, but its important to find an information structure that you are happy with and let it grow organically from there. I'm happy to volunteer to help edit the wiki if need be. ******** News Community Mailing List Info \\--> Links to subscribe and search the archives To Do List \\--> Any assistance needed by the community (code, dox, etc) Donate \\--> Materials, mirroring, cash, booze... Getting Started About Roundcube Installation Upgrading Dependencies Download CVS \\--> By version Binaries/Packages \\--> By version Known Issues \\--> Can be compiled from issues raised in the mailing list Documentation Developer API UI End User/Administrator Development Feature Requests \\--> From the mailing list, or raised directly by users Roadmap \\--> By version, or by development cycle Changelog \\--> By version Troubleshooting \\--> Can be compiled from issues solved in the mailing list Installation Authentication IMAP/IMAPS etc ****** Thoughts anyone? Geoffrey

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0.1-20051007 Comments/feedback
by Praneet Kandula 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Rather than installing just a wiki, would you consider a trac installation instance? It makes source management SO much easier (of course, it's SVN), but you have an awesome ticket manager, a wiki built in, and a really nice reporting feature where it tells you what all the latest commits were. I think this would be a really good allin one solution, if someone can install one. All the big projects as of late have started switching to it: http://trac.wordpress.org http://trac.cakephp.org etc. It makes people want to report bugs, because it's so much more inviting than sourceforge's services, and it makes things easier on the developers as well because of the nice reporting features. Check out the timeline view for example: http://trac.wordpress.org/timeline So yeah, it'd be awesome if roundcube had one of these :-) On 10/8/05, B. Johannessen <bob(a)db.org> wrote: > Geoffrey McCaleb wrote: > > 6. List Archive > > A suggestion I put forward to Bob was, why not put up a simple bulletin > > board (like phpbb)? As the Roundcube community grows I really think it > > would be helpful to have a central place for users to get help and ask > > questions, keeping the more development oriented threads to the lists. > > You say you sent me a suggestion? As far as I can tell, I haven't > received any e-mail from you, and none have been rejected by my spam > filters. Care to resend? > > I'm working on the mailing list archive right now, and *hope* to have it > up and running this weekend, but I'm not making any promises. I'll of > course make sure *all* past messages are included in the archive. > > When it comes to a bulletin board, I'm not really a big fan, and I don't > think I care much to have to administrate something with a security > track-record such as phpBB. On the other hand, when I talked to Thomas > about setting up the mailing lists, we agreed to start of with just the > dev and announce lists, but later add a users list to handle all the > questions that has nothing to do with development. As to when this > should be done, my thinking is once we consistently see more questions > on administration then development/feature requests on the dev list > *and* the the dev list volume hits ~200 messages per week. I'm open to > suggestions though. > > What I will do, if there's any interest and a few people step up to help > keep an eye on things, is set up a wiki. (In case someone has been > living under pile of rocks for the last few years, and doesn't know what > a wiki is, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki). I find Wikis a > great way to work on collaborative documentation, but unfortunately we > need a few editors to keep link spammers and vandals out. So, if I get > at least two volunteers, I'll get started on the wiki as soon as I'm > done with the mailing list archive. > > I'll finish off with a few list stats for those interested: > - Number of subscribers on dev list: 83 > - Number of subscribers on announce list: 45 > > > Bob (List-mom) > > > > > >

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Can't login to roundmail
by Sebastian Wolfgarten 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Hi, I am new to this roundmail and to this list so bear with me. I am running a Linux server with Apache 2.0.54 and mod_php 4.4.0-r3 on Gentoo. After installing roundcube (v0.1-20051007) and giving read+write permissions to the directories logs and temp to the respective Apache owner, nothing happens when a user logs in i.e. a timeout occurs. The only thing I can see is the following reference in the error log of roundcube: [10-Okt-2005 16:39:55] PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /var/www/service/htdocs/horde/program/include/rcube_imap.inc on line 301 Any ideas? All the best & cheers, Sebastian

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Courier and Mailbox Icons
by David A. Davenport 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Greetings, Just ran into another nifty Courier issue. In main.css, folder icons appear to be assigned to Sent and Trash via the truncated mailbox name (i.e. sent, trash). When running Courier, the truncated names are "inboxsent" and "inboxtrash", respectively. I had to modify the CSS to reference those names, instead of the defaults, in order to make the icons appear. Dave

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Highlighting the folder drop-target
by Eliot Kristan 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Hello, I just discovered RoundCube and jumped on the list last night. What a great job with the ideas and the code! I was thinking the same thing that Mark had about drop targets. I added a mouseover / mouseout sequence to program -> steps -> mail -> funcs.incbeginning at line 214 when the <li>'s for the individual mail folders begins. Mouseover gives the <li> a new class called 'rollover' which I defined in skins -> default -> mail.css at line 255 with the other mailboxlist styles. With this the individual mailbox will take on a highlighted background color (could be other styles too, of course) when you roll a dragged item over it. The only thing with this is that the inbox and trash png's dissapear during the rollover. You could of course do individual rollover classes for the inbox and trash <li>'s. Attached is a bitty text file of these changes. It's great to be here! Best, Eliot > - Drag-and-drop targets: I noticed Zimbra changed the dragged item to green > when over a valid drop-target. A helpful UI clue to assist users if easy to > implement. On 10/9/05, Thomas Bruederli <roundcube(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 2005/10/8, Mark Mackay - Orcon <mark(a)orcon.net.nz>: > > > > Hi guys - > > Hello Mark. Thanks for your long list of good ideas! > > > > I'm new to the list as I only stumbled across Roundcube the other day, > and > > can't find any mailing list archives (are there any?); so forgive me if > I > > repeat any feedback/questions. First off - awesome webmail client. Been > > waiting for a good open source Ajax webmail, and was certainly not > > disappointed. Found Zimbra at around the same time, and definitely very > > cool. but obviously on the heavy side. > > > > This latest version seems to address some of the previous version issues > > that I spotted, however there's a few things I'll note here which are > > wishlists/feedback: > > > > HIERARCHICAL FOLDERS > > Great to see in the new version, but the current presentation isn't as > ideal > > when you have lots of folders. I think would be boosted substantially by > > > having sub-folders initially hidden and expandable, although possibly > saving > > the "expanded" view in a cookie or prefs or something. It also truncates > > the name of long (or deeply nested folders). > > Totally agree. The current solution was just added very quickly and > surely has to be improved with more functionality. > > > > NAVIGATION / UI > > I watched about 5 people initially try to use Roundcube for the first > time, > > and everyone seemed to initially struggle with working out the > navigation > > options. Ajax is new to most, so not everyone's used to the way things > can > > work yet. Some suggestions: > > > > - Make the cursor change to an hourglass when you double-click on a > message, > > or put a progress bar/icon somewhere - so that people know something > should > > be happening. It wasn't very obvious to double-click (based on the way > the > > cursor/selection stuff happened) - so maybe make the clicking title > > automatically open the message, or provide a location on the line where > a > > single click will definitely work. > > Because Roundcube does not come up with (ugly) checkboxes on each line > to select a message, we used one click for the message selection. Also > it was some sort of a test, how a web application using double-clicks > will work. I already got lots of feedbacks concerning this topic. > We also made some tests with setting the hourglass-cursor and it's > possible to do so but if you reset the cursor to 'default' (this has > to be done for the whole document) then all buttons will loose their > hand-cursor. If someone has a better solution for that, please let me > know... > > > > - Two nav bars: The nav at the top and bottom is a bit confusing to > users, > > so I'd suggest putting them all in the one location. Feedback from my > > initial test users is that some of the icons aren't obvious as to what > they > > do (the inbox at the bottom, "logout" -- could be confused with delete > -- so > > maybe make delete a trash can? This is obviously changeable through the > > skins, but feedback provided in case you think it's worthy updating the > > default skin. > > The current skin actually is just for development and was designed by > a programmer and not by a real screen designer. The lower nav bar > should be some sort of a task list. > We have people working on a new skin for RoundCube. > > > > - Use of alt-tags, window.status messages, etc: For a first-time user > > there's no real clue as to what buttons do except their icon. The > mouseover > > URL doesn't provide much insight, as it's all JavaScript references, > etc. > > All buttons have title-attributes set for the <a> tag but IE prefers > to use the empty alt-attribute. Modern browsers all show up the titles > set for each button. Also the skin architecture allows to create > buttons with a text label. > > > > - Drag-and-drop targets: I noticed Zimbra changed the dragged item to > green > > when over a valid drop-target. A helpful UI clue to assist users if easy > to > > implement. > > Good point. I'll try to improve this. > > > > - Speed with large mailboxes: The first time I logged in (with 380 > > messages, but about 40 subscribed folders) took an age. I realise the > cache > > needs to be built up, but this first-time hit (our imap server is > currently > > quite slow, which may be contributing to it) is quite unbearable for > users. > > Perhaps a message could be displayed like "Updating message listing" so > that > > it moves off the initial login screen more quickly? Ditto for loading up > an > > un-cached mailbox, although the "loading" at the top helps. > > If logging in for the first time, all mailboxes are listed and the > client requests a message count for each one. This is what takes a lot > of time and it certainly has to be improved. > > > > - Mysql max_allowed_packet: Encountered a user (with about 3000 messages > in > > inbox) exceeding the default max_allowed_packet of 1M. Worked by > boosting > > it, but there may be some issues with really large mailboxes under the > > single-cache-entry for per mailbox. Certainly a read-me note would help > for > > this. When it did encounter the issue, the error was plastered behind > the > > message list; although I think the changelogs indicates a possible fix > in > > the latest version for this. > > I already know this problem. Unfortunately it's not mentioned in the > INSTALL or README file. Also for caching messages with large > attachments, max_allowed_packet should be increased. I know that the > current caching method is not perfect and can be dead slow with more > than 5000 messages in one box. > > > > - Livegrid: You've probably already seen it, but check out > > http://openrico.org/rico/livegrid.page. This concept would > > be great for dealing with large imap mailboxes. Removes the need for > > pagination, and may be possible to reduce loading time by caching > on-demand. > > Live grid is nice but since you are talking about usability, I think > the scrolling behavior of the list is a bit confusing. Further I'm not > sure how browsers can deal with tables containing > 20.000 lines. > > > > > > ATTACHMENTS > > I seem to be having issues with Windows XP service pack 2 (and IE 6) > with > > attachments. The new window loads but then says files are being blocked > from > > downloaded (PDF doc). when I accept the download file it then asks me to > > save it rather than view it inline. I think this is something to do with > the > > iframe, and may not be affecting other users (could be a mime setting on > my > > webserver I guess). If sticking with the embedded attachment approach, > I'd > > put some instructions to trust the website or something (but then again, > not > > necessarily a good idea for webmail where any sort of attachment could > be > > presented). > > RoundCube only opens a new window for attachments which could be > displayed within the browser (like images and PDFs). Other file types > will be downloaded directly. This functionality should be improved > with a plugin-checker detecting if the browser can display a specific > file. > > > > > > DELETING > > - Bug? When viewing a message and clicking "Delete" up the top the > current > > build displays progress then reverts back to message listing and doesn't > > > appear t delete the message. When you highlight the message in the > listing > > and do delete, it does quickly disappear though. > > Probably a caching problem. I'll check that > > > > > > Well that's it for my first post. Thanks for the great work so far. > Shaping > > up to be a kick-arse webmail client. Let me know if you like the > feedback, > > and I'll continue to assist with more usability comments. > > You are welcome to do! > > > > Regards, > > Mark Mackay. > > Best regards, > Thomas > > >

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Roundcube Plugins/Extensions..
by Praneet Kandula 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

Hi Everyone, Glad to see a nice community is evolving around Roundcube. I wanted to point out something to keep in mind before development got too far ahead. By nature, any good piece of software will try to find a middle-ground between feature-bloat, and bare-bones mode. Since most developers have decided that they cannot figure out exactly what will make all of their users satisfied, they develop a plugin architecture into their product, which enables third party developers to add features to the program. Almost all of the successful programs, whether desktop based (Firefox, thunderbird, etc.), or web based (wordpress, squirrelmail), etc. have done this. Roundcube allows for a certain degree of customization though skinning, which is great, but I believe as we move forward, we should expose a plugin API so that third party developers can develop great plugins. Squirrelmail has been quite successful in this regard: http://squirrelmail.org/plugins.php , fostering an active development community of plugin authors, who might eventually move into core development after they get comfortable with the code. So basically to summarize, I'll outline what I think the advantages that a plugin API gives us are: 1) Features that are controversial, such as a WYSIWYG editor, can be implemented without "bloating" the core code, yet fit into the program nicely for people that want them. 2) The core developers have some pressure off them because if someone really wants a feature, they can easily implement it as a plugin. If the plugin gains popularity, it can later be rolled into the main code. 3) Builds an active community around roundcube. Both squirrelmail and wordpress have been very successful at attracting third party developers because of how easy they make it to develop extensions. I'm sure there are many more advantages to a plugin api, but these are the main ones i could think of. Also, as far as implmentation goes, I believe wordpress has an excellent plugin API, simple to develop on, as well as simple to maintain. Take a read here: http://codex.wordpress.org/Plugin_API Sorry for the super-long mail guys, but I thought this was an important issue to be addressed (IMHO) :-) -- Praneet Kandula

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thoughts, suggestions, bugs
by Justin Frydman 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

Hi Everyone, I found this project on freshmeat and must say it looks great! Here are some things I would like to know how to correct: 1) when trying to delete a folder, it does nothing (I'm using Firefox 1.5beta) 2) when using the "select: all" feature at the bottom of a folder listing page, i can't seem to move them anywhere (it does nothing on drag and drop). Selecting multiple ones manually works just fine, as well as unread. 3) I can see every other imap user in my folder listing, is there anyway to hide this? (very important to me, users can read other users emails if they want. These are virtual accounts) 4) any chance the first time someone logs it can be forwarded to the Identities page to setup their account? 5) the logo should take you back to your email listing. 6) there are numerous errors in your docs (README says squirrelmail in it). The author also uses "Shure" threwout the documents. Proper Spelling is "Sure" 7) A feature that allows an admin to import squirrelmail data (address book etc..) to your app would be awesome. This webmail application looks like the most promising one I have seen with a nice template system, xhtml/css2 support, lovely default template. Plus it seems to run very fast compared to squirrelmail. Oh yeah, wow was it easy to install. Thanks, Justin

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anyone having problems with SMTP auth?
by Joshua Layne 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

Hi all, My SMTP auth works fine with Mozilla thunderbird (using system account), but fails with a: *SMTP Error in /opt/web/roundcube/program/steps/mail/sendmail.inc (179):* Connection failed: 554 : Relay access denied No valid recipients in roundcube. Anyone else running into this problem? Have workarounds? I have my SMTP domain, username and password set in the config file - seems like it could be nice to have this keyed off of the end-users username:password also, is there any way to store these in the session and pull them out for this purpose, or is that generally frowned upon? (I always want to do this for "single sign on" across my various PHP apps anyway) thanks for any info, j.

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Complete redesign of the cache mechanism
by DrSlump 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

Hi, I've been making some small benchmarks and with big mailboxes I see a noticeable delay when unserializing the cached mailbox array. So I've modified rcube to instead of storing serialized arrays of the mailbox in the db, it now has a 'messages' where each message (only the header actually) is stored in a row. The perfomance gain is about one and a half second in my development machine. It's still just a test, only uid, subject and the date are stored. Althought it's not optimized in any way (a lot of 'deprecated' code is still being executed). I'll keep playing with this approach and perhaps supply a patch if I see it really improves performance. Anyone else interested in this change? ciao, ivan

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Addition to the Planned Features list
by David A. Davenport 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

I searched through my dev list archive and didn't see this listed, so my apologies if it's already been mentioned. A signature block would be nice, plus the ability to specify/include a different signature based on the identity chosen. Best regards, Dave

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Using imaps instead of imap
by Torben 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

Hi, im trying to setup Round Cube up to use imaps (993) instead of imap (143) but can't see where to change. Any ideas? Thanks in advance :o) /Torben

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Trying Roundcube - can't log in
by Seth Seeger 09 Oct '05

09 Oct '05

Hello, I've installed the latest release of Roundcube on my OpenBSD server. However, i cannot log in. SSL: -I've set the default_host to 'ssl://localhost:993' -When I try to log in, the browser just sits there until it times out (no data is returned) -In my mail log file, I see this: imaps SSL service init from <my-ip> Command stream end of file, while reading line user=??? host=<my-host> Non-SSL: -When I do not use ssl, and set the default_host to 'localhost', the browser returns, but I get the following error message: IMAP Error: Authentication failed (LOGIN):<br>"a001 NO LOGIN failed" in on line 0 -In my authlog, I get this (see reason below): Login disabled user=seth auth=seth host=localhost [127.0.0.1] -While I do not want to use non-SSL on my server, I tried it just to see what would happen Possible issues... -I have a self-signed cert for my IMAP SSL -I am not surprised that the non-SSL doesn't work, as I have disabled it, see "LOGINDISABLED" below. More info... -When I telnet to my IMAP port, this is what is reported: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] <my-host> IMAP4rev1 2004.352 at Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:24:17 -0400 (EDT) -When I use "openssl s_client" to look at my SSL's IMAP port, this is what is reported: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=LOGIN] <my-host IMAP4rev1 2004.352 at Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Any help would be appreciated. Please CC me on any replies, as I am not on the dev mailing list. Thanks in advance, Seth

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Re: Improving cache algorithm
by DrSlump 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

Mark Mackay - Orcon wrote: > Hi Ivan - > > I tried this new function, and I think there may be a problem with it (or my > PHP installation, etc). > Roundcube refused to present the login page with this pasted in: > > Running "php4 rcube_imap.inc" produced: > > Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_OBJECT_OPERATOR in > /var/www/roundcube/program/include/rcube_imap.inc on line 321 > > The offending lines were: > > //check for changes using the UID > if ($hdr->uid === end($a_out)->uid) > $revalidate = false; > > It worked when I commented these out, but obviously this skipped the > comparison of the last UID. > Thanks Mark for the bug report, I'm using PHP5 so I guess PHP4 is complaining about the "end($a_out)->uid" bit. Just replace that lines with this ones: $lastCacheHdr = end($a_out); if ($hdr->uid === $lastCacheHdr->uid) $revalidate = false; ciao, ivan

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Improving cache algorithm
by DrSlump 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

Hi, I've been reading the IMAP specification to find ways to improve current rcube cache algorithms. The following is from the IMAPv4 specs: 2.3.1.2. Message Sequence Number Message Attribute A relative position from 1 to the number of messages in the mailbox. This position MUST be ordered by ascending unique identifier. As each new message is added, it is assigned a message sequence number that is 1 higher than the number of messages in the mailbox before that new message was added. Currently rcube stores the whole header list for each mailbox in the DB. If the current message count is bigger than the message count of the cache then it fetches the whole header list again and stores it in the cache on DB. I think this could be improved by redesigning the caching algorithm, since each new message in a mailbox is given a sequence number higher than the other ones, we can just fetch the new messages. The following code should clarify the idea: $mbox_count = messagecount($mbox); $cache_count = count($cache); if ($mbox_count > $cache_count) { $newMessages = iil_C_FetchHeaders( $conn, $mbox, "$cache_count:$mbox_count" ); $cache = array_merge( $cache, $newMessages ); } Unfortunatly the specs also say: Message sequence numbers can be reassigned during the session. For example, when a message is permanently removed (expunged) from the mailbox, the message sequence number for all subsequent messages is decremented. The number of messages in the mailbox is also decremented. Similarly, a new message can be assigned a message sequence number that was once held by some other message prior to an expunge. We can solve this however since we have the UID of each header in the cache. Instead of fetching the (mbox_count - cache_count) headers, we can fetch (mbox_count-cache_count)+1, with this we should get as the first header the last one in the cache. We then compare its UID, so if we have in the cache the last header with id=269 and uid=468 but in the new list it has the id=269 but the uid=493 it means that there have been deleted messages in that folder and that we must revalidate the whole list. This could also be optimized but it'll require a quite complex algorithm which I guess is not worth it for most cases. The following pseudo-code should show the idea good enough: $mbox_count = messagecount($mbox); $cache_count = count($cache); if ($mbox_count > $cache_count) { $newMessages = iil_C_FetchHeaders( $conn, $mbox, ($cache_count-1).":$mbox_count" ); if ($newMessages[0]->uid != end($cache)->uid) { //revalidate the cache $cache = iil_C_FetchHeaders( $conn, $mbox, "0:".($cache_count-1)); } $cache = array_merge( $cache, $newMessages ); } The code I think is simple enough although I would like to discuss this before trying its implementation, I'm worried about the specs support in different servers. ciao, ivan

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fix for error on bad time parameter in message
by joshua 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

Hi all, I've been getting this error (only on my inbox - apparently somebody sent me a message with a bad time parameter (empty)) Warning: strtotime() [function.strtotime]: Called with an empty time parameter. in /opt/web/devmail/roundcubemail/program/include/main.inc on line 896 the fix is really simple, but I don't have CVS commit access, so... <originalCode lines 893-896> if (is_numeric($date)) $ts = $date; else $ts = strtotime($date); </originalCode> <replacementCode> if (is_numeric($date)) $ts = $date; else if (strlen($date)) $ts = strtotime($date); else $ts = ''; </replacementCode> There are probably more elegant ways to do this, but it works. HTH, j.

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resolved -- Fwd: Re: anyone having problems with SMTP auth?
by joshua 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

Perhaps this was my error originally, but regardless, with the new (20051007) build, SMTP auth is working correctly for me. regards, j. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: anyone having problems with SMTP auth? Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:29:37 -0700 From: Joshua Layne <joshua(a)willowisp.net> To: "dev(a)lists.roundcube.net" <dev(a)lists.roundcube.net> I was able to get SMTP to work be specifying localhost (I allow relaying from localhost), but am unable to get the authorization aspect to work (I'll try again with the new build). I was using the domain name 'willowisp.net' with SMTP authorization. works in other clients, so I don't think it is a server problem. anyway, I'll try in the new version and report back. on a totally different note, has anyone put together a cookie monster to clear session info? I am finding that occasionally I enter a hung state that can only be fixed by dropping the session and logging in again. Also, my previous comments were 'pie in the sky' thinking - I think roundcube is the slickest email client i have ever used - great work. j. Geoffrey McCaleb wrote: >It works for me when enabled. > >Quick question, what do you have smtp_server set to? Localhost, local IP >(e.g. 127.x.x.x), or the hostname? > >Geoffrey > >On 10/8/2005, "Joshua Layne" <joshua(a)willowisp.net> wrote: > > > >>Hi all, >>My SMTP auth works fine with Mozilla thunderbird (using system account), >>but fails with a: >> >>*SMTP Error in /opt/web/roundcube/program/steps/mail/sendmail.inc >>(179):* Connection failed: 554 : Relay access denied >> >>No valid recipients >> >>in roundcube. Anyone else running into this problem? Have workarounds? >> >>I have my SMTP domain, username and password set in the config file - >>seems like it could be nice to have this keyed off of the end-users >>username:password also, is there any way to store these in the session >>and pull them out for this purpose, or is that generally frowned upon? >>(I always want to do this for "single sign on" across my various PHP >>apps anyway) >> >>thanks for any info, >>j. >> >> > > > >

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RE: 0.1-20051007 Comments/feedback
by Geoffrey McCaleb 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

Just to make sure the rest of the group got to see Mark's reply (see below). To add my own comment to Mark's reply: While I am by no means a javascript guru, I don't believe it is possible for javascript to affect the local PC. The cursor icon, is controlled by the core API of whatever OS you happen to be running (OSX, Windows Shell, KDE, etc). Web scripting, generally doesn't have access to that API (with the exception of ActiveX). I wonder if instead of changing the cursor, you could certainly have some help text appear to help guide the user to the correct action. Though, from a usability perspective, you are correct web users expect to single click to open mail or any other link. Requiring 3 clicks, without any noticable gain, seems confusing. My 2 cents. Geoffrey On 10/8/2005, "Mark Mackay - Orcon" <mark(a)orcon.net.nz> wrote: >I just wanted to clarify my comments about the message double-click: > >I like the double-click, it's just that I found that with IE6/Win when I >double-clicked on a subject, the line would highlight, then the word I >double-clicked on -- then wait 1-5 secs then the message would load (meaning >I often double-double-clicked, triple clicked, etc). > >Changing the cursor to an hourglass/watch would give the visual feedback >needed to let me stop clicking, however the highlighting of the word I >clicked over (rather than just the selected line) is a bit unexpected, >compared with a desktop app. Not sure if this is resolvable. > >-- > >OTH users of the web are used to single-clicking (although there are those >pesky double-clickers), so it's something to guide people into. By watching >our first test users I found most people expected to single-click and get a >preview pane. If this is in the pipeline as an optional UI element, then the >double-click to view the message on its own will make more sense. > >If not, or in any case, we're better to guide the users as to how to use it: >maybe just some help text is needed "double click a message to open it". >This could appear after a delay if someone just selected a message and did >nothing else maybe. > >-- > >I could be being a bit overzealous here. Most people figured it out quickly >enough, and I think the hourglass if that's easily doable will probably >solve it. > >Regards, >Mark Mackay. > >

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Log in for users with large mailboxes
by Jasper Slits 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

Hi, A couple of coworkers have large mailboxes with 3000 to 7000 mails. Hence it takes a while before the mailbox overview (first screen after logging in) is rendered. They thought Roundcube was hanging as Horde/IMP doesn't have that delay. I presume the difference is because Horde/IMP is depending on the 'imap' PHP extension while Roundcube just talks IMAP over the established socket connection to the imap-server. Can't Roundcube be configured to read the first 300 mails (or the first 4 pages) when logging in and read the other mails on demand, that is when the user uses the navigation in the top right. In the majority of the cases one doesn't need to see the other/older mail. Or maybe the other mails can be read in the background after the 'homepage' is loaded. This allows reading the new mail etc and will make Roundcube more snappier. Just my 2 cents. Jasper

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Roundcube 20051007 and loading times
by Raphael Reich 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

Hello list, yesterday I upgraded to Roundcube 20051007. The loading time has significantly increased for any action I tried. e.g. opening an email consisting of just one simple text line takes about 15 sec. I switched back to version 20050820 and Roundcube is working quickly as it used to before the upgrade. Has anyone discovered similar problems? Raphael

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Re: Re: Re: Message Source not configured properly?
by Geoffrey McCaleb 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

That was it! I can't believe I didn't think of that. Both the other webmail packages send mail directly....though I wonder why php mail() has that problem on my server. Oh well, thanks! Geoffrey On 10/7/2005, "Jon Wolf" <wolf(a)domojo.com> wrote: > >Perhaps the problem lies in your PHP mail() function. >Have you tried sending it through your mail server directly? >The options are in config/main.inc.php > >// use this host for sending mails. >// if left blank, the PHP mail() function is used >$rcmail_config['smtp_server'] = ''; > >// SMTP port (default is 25) >$rcmail_config['smtp_port'] = 25; > >// SMTP username (if required) >$rcmail_config['smtp_user'] = ''; > >// SMTP password (if required) >$rcmail_config['smtp_pass'] = ''; > >If you force sending through an SMTP server, does the problem persist? > >jw > >On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:59:13 -0100, "Geoffrey McCaleb" <geoffrey(a)tabasco.net> wrote: >> Hi Jon, >> Thanks for your note. But its not really a browser issue. The problem >> (for me at least) seems to be that the receiver of the mail gets the >> body and header scrambled. If I send a mail to myself, the display seems >> fine. >> >> Its a weird problem. I've got two other webmail packages on my server >> (IlohaMail & Horde) and they don't experience the same problem. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Geoffrey >> >> On 10/7/2005, "Jon Wolf" <wolf(a)domojo.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>I also upgraded to today's release and am not experiancing that problem >> in either of my browsers (Firefox 1.5 Beta 1; Opera 8.5). >>> >>>On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:24:28 -0100, "Geoffrey McCaleb" >> <geoffrey(a)tabasco.net> wrote: >>>> I've tried upgrading to the latest version and the problem still >> persists >>>> (was using 0.1-20050820, now on the build released today 0.1-20051007). >>>> >>>> Am I the only one getting this problem? Here is a screenshot if my >>>> description was too confusing. >>>> >>>> http://www.idiotabroad.com/pix/messagebody.png >>>> >>>> (while the above shows the problem in gmail, I get the same when >> sending >>>> to my work account which uses MS Outlook). >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone, >>>> >>>> Geoffrey >>>> >>>> On 10/7/2005, "Geoffrey McCaleb" <geoffrey(a)tabasco.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi All, >>>>>First off, just wanted to say what a great mail package RoundCube is. >> Its >>>>>fully featured, looks great, and simply is an amazing package! >>>>> >>>>>Sadly, I have a problem that is keeping me from using it. When sending >>>>>mail it seems that the message body somehow gets mixed with the header >>>>>(or vice versa). >>>>> >>>>>I've tried sending mails to gmail, and my work account. In both cases, >>>>>the message source looks like so: >>>>> >>>>><snip> >>>>>From: Geoffrey McCaleb <geoffrey(a)tabasco.net> >>>>>Message-ID: <e991f295cfe46cb15888fc09062011fb@osiris> >>>>>X-Sender: geoffrey(a)tabasco.net >>>>>User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1a >>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>> >>>>>Return-Path: geoffrey(a)tabasco.net >>>>>X-CTCH-ID: _C77A15DC-8C41-4BF6-87F4-09DB82AE628E_ >>>>>X-CTCH-RefID: 0001.0A090205.43464939.0029-A- >>>>>X-CTCH-Action: Ignore >>>>>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2005 10:15:25.0453 (UTC) >>>>>FILETIME=[08ABBBD0:01C5CB28] >>>>> >>>>>This is another test. >>>>></snip> >>>>> >>>>>The body of the mail should have just been: "This is another test". >>>>> >>>>>Any idea what the problem might be? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks! >>>>> >>>>>Geoffrey >>>>> >>>>> >>> >

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better results with new IMAPD (courier-imap4)
by Joshua Layne 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Hi all, I just wanted to report that a newer IMAP server works WONDERS! I upgraded to courier-imap 4 from courier-imap 2.2 and the overall experience is much... zippier. if you are having problems with timeouts, your imap server may be the problem (IME) Also, if anyone is running against mac (tiger), I can walk them through the config process for courier imap 4 - took me a whilke anyway with the authlib stuff. regardless, I am excited by this performance increase - now I need to pull down the CVS version and put it up. is there anything that needs looking at? I am competent in PHP, not so competent in mail transfer and mail protocols, not competent in AJAX, though XML and javascript alone don\\\\\\\'t bother me, I\\\\\\\'ve just never mixed them. let me know if I can help. j.

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Re: Re: Message Source not configured properly?
by Geoffrey McCaleb 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Hi Jon, Thanks for your note. But its not really a browser issue. The problem (for me at least) seems to be that the receiver of the mail gets the body and header scrambled. If I send a mail to myself, the display seems fine. Its a weird problem. I've got two other webmail packages on my server (IlohaMail & Horde) and they don't experience the same problem. Thanks! Geoffrey On 10/7/2005, "Jon Wolf" <wolf(a)domojo.com> wrote: > >I also upgraded to today's release and am not experiancing that problem in either of my browsers (Firefox 1.5 Beta 1; Opera 8.5). > >On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:24:28 -0100, "Geoffrey McCaleb" <geoffrey(a)tabasco.net> wrote: >> I've tried upgrading to the latest version and the problem still persists >> (was using 0.1-20050820, now on the build released today 0.1-20051007). >> >> Am I the only one getting this problem? Here is a screenshot if my >> description was too confusing. >> >> http://www.idiotabroad.com/pix/messagebody.png >> >> (while the above shows the problem in gmail, I get the same when sending >> to my work account which uses MS Outlook). >> >> Thanks everyone, >> >> Geoffrey >> >> On 10/7/2005, "Geoffrey McCaleb" <geoffrey(a)tabasco.net> wrote: >> >>>Hi All, >>>First off, just wanted to say what a great mail package RoundCube is. Its >>>fully featured, looks great, and simply is an amazing package! >>> >>>Sadly, I have a problem that is keeping me from using it. When sending >>>mail it seems that the message body somehow gets mixed with the header >>>(or vice versa). >>> >>>I've tried sending mails to gmail, and my work account. In both cases, >>>the message source looks like so: >>> >>><snip> >>>From: Geoffrey McCaleb <geoffrey(a)tabasco.net> >>>Message-ID: <e991f295cfe46cb15888fc09062011fb@osiris> >>>X-Sender: geoffrey(a)tabasco.net >>>User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1a >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> >>>Return-Path: geoffrey(a)tabasco.net >>>X-CTCH-ID: _C77A15DC-8C41-4BF6-87F4-09DB82AE628E_ >>>X-CTCH-RefID: 0001.0A090205.43464939.0029-A- >>>X-CTCH-Action: Ignore >>>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2005 10:15:25.0453 (UTC) >>>FILETIME=[08ABBBD0:01C5CB28] >>> >>>This is another test. >>></snip> >>> >>>The body of the mail should have just been: "This is another test". >>> >>>Any idea what the problem might be? >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Geoffrey >>> >>> >

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Message Source not configured properly?
by Geoffrey McCaleb 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Hi All, First off, just wanted to say what a great mail package RoundCube is. Its fully featured, looks great, and simply is an amazing package! Sadly, I have a problem that is keeping me from using it. When sending mail it seems that the message body somehow gets mixed with the header (or vice versa). I've tried sending mails to gmail, and my work account. In both cases, the message source looks like so: <snip> From: Geoffrey McCaleb <geoffrey(a)tabasco.net> Message-ID: <e991f295cfe46cb15888fc09062011fb@osiris> X-Sender: geoffrey(a)tabasco.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Re: RoundCube Webmail 0.1-20051007 released
by Jon Wolf 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

A few minor errors regarding the new release: In the upgrade instructions, no mention is made of replacing index.php (Roundcube did not work until I replaced it). The README file includes this amusing section: Installation: ------------- For detailed instructions on how to install SquirrelMail on your server, please refer to the INSTALL document in the same directory as this document. Also, if I am reading the code right, RoundCube now automatically checks for IMAPS support and utilizes it with out the code hack discussed in "Re: Using imaps instead of imap"; am I correct in this assumption? The progress is great! jw On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:50:13 +0200, Thomas Bruederli <roundcube(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everybody. > > In the last couple of weeks a lot of improvements and bugfixes found > their way into this new release of the RoundCube webmailer. > > We added the PEAR::DB module to support more databases. This is > currently tested with MySQL and SQLite and also supports PostgreSQL. > Then the following new translations were added: French, Italian, > Spanish, Danish and Dutch. Thanks to all the translators for their > work! > > If you already use RoundCube webmail you'll not see many changes in > the front end because most of the improvements were made to the > backend. But it's recommended for all users to replace their > installation with the new release. > > Get the files directly from > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/roundcubemail/roundcube_webmail_0.1-2005… > or check out the latest CVS version. > > And here you can find the changelog and release notes: > http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=361839 > > Have fun! > Thomas

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