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what ever happened to roundcube next?
by Fabian A. Santiago 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

what ever happened to roundcube next? status / progress update anyone? -- Fabian S. OpenPGP: 0x643082042DC83E6D94B86C405E3DAA18A1C22D8F (new key) *** 0x3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC (to be retired, still valid)

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Limit sender domains
by absolutely_free＠libero.it 10 Jun '18

10 Jun '18

Hi, I am using RC 1.3.5 on FreeBSD, with Postfix 3.3.0 Users are not allowed to send mail with SMTP auth, there is only webmail service. On this server I manage a few domain (<10); I would like to avoid sending message with a forget domain address (eg. I don't want that compromised mailbox can send mail with "xxxx(a)gmail.com", "xxxx(a)yandex.ru" and so on) How can I do this? Thank you!

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Mail_Mime Envelope-To header
by Dominik Dehning 04 Jun '18

04 Jun '18

Hi everyone, currently I'm working on a plugin for Roundcube using some functions of Mail_Mime. At one point (Hook: message_before_send) I have to replace the recipient of the mail with another one, so I use $message->get(); $message->headers(array('To'=>implode(',', $recipients)), true); This code is doing well. But there still is the "Envelope-To"-Header which I can't replace like follows: $message->headers(array('To'=>implode(',', $recipients), 'Envelope-To'=>implode(',', $recipients)), true); Am I totally wrong? I'm just stuck with this. Can anyone help? Sincerely Dominik

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Database error
by Meaulnes Legler ＠ roundcube 12 May '18

12 May '18

hello I installed Roundcube's new version 1.3.4 from the previous version 1.2.4 the on a BlueOnyx server. Since then, I can't login at http://server/roundcube/, I get instead of the login form the error *DATABASE ERROR: CONNECTION FAILED!* Unable to connect to the database! Please contact your server-administrator. I am actually the server administrator with root access, but have no idea how to proceed here... Anybody knows how to fix/reconnect this MySQL database? Thank you and best regards _~_ '¿') `-´ Meaulnes Legler Zurich, Switzerland +41\0 44 260 16 60

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marking emails as read with managesieve plugin
by Fabian A. Santiago 09 May '18

09 May '18

Hello, I'm using: RCM 1.3.6 installed with website stable release package composer used to update all dependencies as per upgrade doc i'm trying to have one of my managesieve filters mark emails as read while also moving them to their specific folder. the moving part works great but RCM still lists them as new rather than read. I've tried applying filters: set flags add flags with both having 'Read' checked. but no luck. can someone help me? Thanks. -- Thanks, Fabian S. OpenPGP: 0x3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC (to be revoked) 0x643082042DC83E6D94B86C405E3DAA18A1C22D8F (new key)

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enigma plugin importing existing gpg key and signing
by David Mehler 24 Apr '18

24 Apr '18

Hello, I've got a user with a home directory and an existing gnupg2 setup, under /home/username/.gnupg. I am wanting to know if Roundcube's Enigma plugin (using v1.36), can import this gpg key as it is already exported and available on a public keyserver? Secondly, do I have to get separate S/MIME keys or will enigma handle mail signing with the existing gpg key? Thanks. Dave.

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Roundcube login with username OR username@domain.com and merge them
by Daniel Santos 23 Apr '18

23 Apr '18

Hello List, I have a single domain mail server where I would like the users to be able to login with: user(a)domain.com or user I have successfully accomplished this by setting the virtual_mailbox_domains in postfix + $config['default_host'] in roundcube. However, depending on what username does the user uses 2 separate entries gets created for him in the DB with 2 settings. This is problematic because I would like to add automatic address collection, vacation and other things which then will be binded to 2 separate accounts, depending on which format does the user uses to login. *************************** 1. row *************************** user_id: 1 username: test mail_host: domain.com created: 2018-04-23 13:46:46 last_login: 2018-04-23 14:24:28 failed_login: NULL failed_login_counter: NULL language: en_US preferences: a:2:{s:11:"search_mods";a:4:{s:1:"*";a:2:{s:7:"subject";i:1;s:4:"from";i:1;}s:4:"Sent";a:2:{s:7:"subject";i:1;s:2:"to";i:1;}s:6:"Drafts";a:2:{s:7:"subject";i:1;s:2:"to";i:1;}s:5:"INBOX";a:1:{s:4:"text";i:1;}}s:11:"client_hash";s:16:"P8AYcIa0hrn5LiPp";} *************************** 2. row *************************** user_id: 2 username: test(a)domain.com mail_host: domain.com created: 2018-04-23 14:24:00 last_login: 2018-04-23 14:24:00 failed_login: NULL failed_login_counter: NULL language: en_US preferences: a:2:{s:11:"search_mods";a:3:{s:1:"*";a:2:{s:7:"subject";i:1;s:4:"from";i:1;}s:4:"Sent";a:2:{s:7:"subject";i:1;s:2:"to";i:1;}s:6:"Drafts";a:2:{s:7:"subject";i:1;s:2:"to";i:1;}}s:11:"client_hash";s:16:"aL4mNejbFMtvV1DE";} 2 rows in set (0.00 sec) Is there any possibility to merge these in the database automatically?

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Problemas de ingreso
by MAURICIO PIRIZ 19 Apr '18

19 Apr '18

Buen Día , ante todo disculpen mi ignorancia pero no se a quien consultar por mi problema. hace tiempo contrate una empresa para dar de alta una dirección IP la cual detallo mas abajo. ya hace un tiempo decidí cortar con el servicio que ellos me brindaban y me surge el problema de que no puedo entrar para ver los mensajes ni nada. No se ha podido encontrar la dirección IP del servidor de skypiletaslaplata.com.ar. * Busca sky piletas la plata 2095 cpsess 3803523809 3rd party roundcube<https://www.google.com/search?q=sky%20piletas%20la%20plata%202095%20cpsess%…> en Google ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED Podrán indicarme que problema estoy teniendo y como lo soluciono ??? Desde ya muchas gracias

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Reply to a list
by Nuno Dias 19 Apr '18

19 Apr '18

I have roundcubemail-1.3.6 and when I receive mail from a specific list the "reply list" option in the button reply is not visible, but in other mails from lists this option is visible. Can anyone tell me which tag in the header of the mail triggers this behaviour in roundcubemail? Thanks, Nuno -- Nuno Dias <ndias(a)lip.pt> LIP

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update roundcube from 1.2-beta to newest 1.3.6
by Poliman - Serwis 16 Apr '18

16 Apr '18

Hello! I have server with Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and Roundcube 1.2-beta. I would like to upgrade it. Current version has files/directories like below (installation directory): root@s1:/usr/share/roundcube# ls -l total 48 drwxr-xr-x 2 501 admin 4096 Apr 13 07:49 bin -rw-r--r-- 1 501 admin 3595 Apr 13 07:49 config.inc.php.sample -rw-r--r-- 1 501 admin 12413 Apr 13 07:49 index.php drwxr-xr-x 3 501 admin 4096 Apr 13 07:49 installer drwxr-xr-x 41 501 admin 4096 Apr 13 07:49 plugins drwxr-xr-x 8 501 admin 4096 Apr 13 07:49 program -rw-r--r-- 1 501 admin 26 Apr 13 07:49 robots.txt drwxr-xr-x 4 501 admin 4096 Apr 13 07:49 skins drwxr-xr-x 7 501 admin 4096 Apr 13 07:49 SQL but the newest version 1.3.6-complete has (it's downloaded and unzipped archive): root@s1:/tmp/roundcubemail-1.3.6# ls -l total 272 drwxr-xr-x 2 501 admin 4096 Apr 12 15:14 bin -rw-r--r-- 1 501 admin 153208 Apr 11 13:13 CHANGELOG -rw-r--r-- 1 501 admin 1046 Apr 11 13:13 composer.json-dist drwxr-xr-x 2 501 admin 4096 Apr 12 15:14 config -rw-r--r-- 1 501 admin 12726 Apr 11 13:13 index.php -rw-r--r-- 1 501 admin 10901 Apr 11 13:13 INSTALL drwxr-xr-x 3 501 admin 4096 Apr 12 15:14 installer -rw-r--r-- 1 501 admin 35147 Apr 11 13:13 LICENSE drwxr-xr-x 2 501 admin 4096 Apr 12 15:14 logs drwxr-xr-x 35 501 admin 4096 Apr 12 15:14 plugins drwxr-xr-x 8 501 admin 4096 Apr 12 15:14 program drwxr-xr-x 3 501 admin 4096 Apr 12 15:14 public_html -rw-r--r-- 1 501 admin 3876 Apr 11 13:13 README.md drwxr-xr-x 4 501 admin 4096 Apr 12 15:14 skins drwxr-xr-x 7 501 admin 4096 Apr 11 13:13 SQL drwxr-xr-x 2 501 admin 4096 Apr 12 15:14 temp -rw-r--r-- 1 501 admin 3579 Apr 11 13:13 UPGRADING drwxr-xr-x 8 501 admin 4096 Apr 12 15:14 vendor I have a problem with upgrade it. When I just run bin/installto.sh from downloaded version directory I have error that "config directory does not exists". Ok, so I did "mkdir config" (and I did this same for another directories which don't exist in my current roundcube installation like logs, temp, etc.). After making new directories I run again installto.sh script. Few las line from output: CHANGELOG README.md UPGRADING LICENSE INSTALL done. !! Old .htaccess file saved as .htaccess.orig !! JavaScript dependencies installation skipped... Running update script at target... This instance of Roundcube is not yet configured! Open http://url-to-roundcube/installer/ in your browser and follow the instuctions. All done. there is information "done." and "All done" and when I log into some account I see I have 1.3.6 version but I see that database is not upgraded. I used these tutorials: https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Upgrade https://linode.com/docs/email/clients/install-roundcube-on-ubuntu/ Could you help me with this? -- *Pozdrawiam / Best Regards* *Piotr Bracha*

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Roundcube 1.3.6 and carddav plugin
by David Mehler 14 Apr '18

14 Apr '18

Hello, I'm trying to run carddav on my roundcube 1.3.6, recently updated. Whenever I enable the carddav plugin I see two separate errors in my errors log file, the first 5 lines refer to carddav, the sixth line refers to an issue maybe related maybe not about a Php security check failed. Any insights on either of these issues appreciated. [14-Apr-2018 11:28:44 America/New_York] PHP Warning: dns_get_record(): DNS Query failed in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/carddav/carddav_discovery.php on line 207 [14-Apr-2018 11:28:44 America/New_York] PHP Warning: usort() expects parameter 1 to be array, boolean given in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/carddav/carddav_discovery.php on line 220 [14-Apr-2018 11:28:44 America/New_York] PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/carddav/carddav_discovery.php on line 224 [14-Apr-2018 11:28:44 America/New_York] PHP Warning: dns_get_record(): DNS Query failed in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/carddav/carddav_discovery.php on line 252 [14-Apr-2018 11:28:44 America/New_York] PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/carddav/carddav_discovery.php on line 253 [14-Apr-2018 11:30:24 -0400]: PHP Error: Request security check failed (POST /?_task=settings&_action=refresh) Thanks. Dave.

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roundcube recipient_to_contact plugin php error
by David Mehler 14 Apr '18

14 Apr '18

Hello, I've enabled the recipient_to_contact plugin in Roundcube. I can log in, but whenever I go to the settings tab I get a blank screen and see this in my logs/ssl-errors file: [Fri Apr 13 10:01:46.359205 2018] [proxy_fcgi:error] [pid 81781:tid 34389192448] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:52490] AH01071: Got error 'PHP message: PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function Q() in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/recipient_to_contact/recipient_to_contact.php on line 323\n', referer: https://webmail2.domain.com/?_task=mail&_mbox=INBOX Suggestions welcome. Thanks. Dave.

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Abnormal termination when downloading attached file (after 60 seconds)
by Seiichirou Hiraoka 13 Apr '18

13 Apr '18

Hello, I use Roundcube 1.0.2 in the following environment. OS: CentOS 7.2.1511 Kernel: 3.10.0-327.el7.x86_64 Apache: httpd-2.4.6-40.El7.Centos.4 IMAP Server: dovecot-2.2.10-5.el7.x86_64 - Configuration In order to handle 50 MB attached file on Roundcube, We made the following settings in Apache and PHP. . Apache httpd.conf Timeout 300 . PHP php.ini max_execution_time = 300 max_input_time = 600 error_reporting = E_ALL default_socket_timeout = 600 mysql.connect_timeout = 600 . Roundcube defaults.inc.php $config['imap_timeout'] = 300; - Situation In this situation, e-mail with attached file of about 30 MB will be sent from Roundcube When downloading, processing stops when 1 minute passes. The whole file can not be downloaded, and only a part has been downloaded. I think that the following log (/var/log/maillog) is output to Dovecot, indicating that it ended abnormally. Apr 11 14:47:43 server dovecot: imap-login: Login: user = <user>, method = PLAIN, rip = X.X.X.X, lip = X.X.X.X, mpid = 17992, TLS, session = <Ln + HLYxpAKyALY> Apr 11 14:47:44 server dovecot: imap (user): Disconnected: Logged out in in = 196 out = 16844 Apr 11 14:48:00 server dovecot: imap (user): Error: read (<binary stream of mailbox INBOX UID 433>) failed: Broken pipe (FETCH BINARY [2] for mailbox INBOX UID 433) Apr 11 14:48:00 server dovecot: imap (user): Disconnected: FETCH failed in = 420 out = 12552347 - Question As a result of investigation, it seems that some timeout value is set on Roundcube side, Can you advise me? Please tell me if there is information necessary for carving. Regards,

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End of Life for 1.2?
by Peter Thomassen 12 Apr '18

12 Apr '18

Hi, Today, security update 1.3.6 was released, but there was no update for the 1.2 line. In November, there was an update for 1.2 (and even 1.1). Now, I am wondering whether 1.2 has reached its end of life, or whether the security issue only affected 1.3. How can I find out the support cycles for the various lines? I couldn't manage to figure it out on the web site. Thanks! Best, Peter -- ------------------------------------------ a4a GmbH Scheffelstr. 14 97072 Würzburg Germany web: https://a4a.de e-mail: info(a)a4a.de

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Security Update 1.3.6 released
by Thomas Bruederli 11 Apr '18

11 Apr '18

Dear subscribers We just published a security update to the stable version 1.3. It primarily fixes a recently reported IMAP command injection vulnerability caused by insufficient input validation within the archive plugin. Details about the vulnerability are published under CVE-2018-9846. Additionally, we back-ported some minor fixes from the master branch which improve PHP 7.2 compatibility as well as PGP signing and key handling for those who use the Enigma plugin. See the full changelog in the release notes on the Github download page: https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/releases/tag/1.3.6 We strongly recommend to update all productive installations of Roundcube with this new version. Updates for older LTS versions will follow soon. And as usual: please do backup your data before updating! Best, Alec & Thomas

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Roundcube Carddav and Enigma plugins
by David Mehler 10 Apr '18

10 Apr '18

Hello, I'm wanting to get the carddav and enigma plugins going. When I turn on carddav then attempt a log in I get a blank screen. Whenever I turn on enigma I am wanting to make keys, this does not appear possible. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks. Dave.

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markasjunk2 plugin using rspamd
by David Mehler 10 Apr '18

10 Apr '18

Hello, Is it possible to hook the markasjunk2 plugin in with rspamd? I'd like to either mark a message as junk or not junk and have rspamd be retrained. Thanks. Dave.

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roundcube custom tls verification options
by David Mehler 09 Apr '18

09 Apr '18

Hello, Is it possible to do custom connection information? This is how my config.inc.php file looks: $config['default_host'] = 'tls://localhost'; $config['imap_conn_options'] = array( 'ssl' => array( 'verify_peer' => false, 'verify_peer_name' => false, ), ); $config['smtp_server'] = 'tls://localhost'; $config['smtp_conn_options'] = array( 'ssl' => array( 'verify_peer' => false, 'verify_peer_name' => false, ), ); $config['include_host_config'] = array( 'webmail.domain1.com' => 'domain1_config.inc.php', 'webmail.domain2.com' => 'domain2_config.inc.php', ); what I'm wanting to do is tighten my tls verification options. My domains each use a different letsencrypt certificate. What I'm wanting to add is something like: // For STARTTLS IMAP $config['imap_conn_options'] = array( 'ssl' => array( 'verify_peer' => true, // certificate is not self-signed if cafile provided 'allow_self_signed' => false, // 'cafile' => '/etc/ssl/certs/Your_CA_certificate.pem', // For Letsencrypt use the following two lines and remove the 'cafile' option above. 'ssl_cert => '/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.my_domain.org/fullchain.pem' 'ssl_key' => '/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.my_domain.org/privkey.pem' // probably optional parameters 'ciphers' => 'TLSv1+HIGH:!aNull:@STRENGTH', 'peer_name' => 'mail.my_domain.org', ), ); // For STARTTLS SMTP $config['smtp_conn_options'] = array( 'ssl' => array( 'verify_peer' => true, // certificate is not self-signed if cafile provided 'allow_self_signed' => false, // 'cafile' => '/etc/ssl/certs/Your_CA_certificate.pem', // For Letsencrypt use the following two lines and remove the 'cafile' option above. 'ssl_cert => '/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.my_domain.org/fullchain.pem' 'ssl_key' => '/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.my_domain.org/privkey.pem' // probably optional parameters 'ciphers' => 'TLSv1+HIGH:!aNull:@STRENGTH', 'peer_name' => 'mail.my_domain.org', ), ); Can I put a config in each of the domain specific files? Thanks. Dave.

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Print ALL mails in a folder to PDF files
by Philip Rhoades 08 Apr '18

08 Apr '18

People, Is there some way of CLI scripting RCM to print all the mails in a particular Maildir to separate PDF files? - it would be far to slow to do one at a time from the GUI . . Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: phil(a)pricom.com.au

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feature request
by Webert de Souza Lima 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

Because of the problem I have described recently in the email entitled: "Unable to send command: A0007 FETCH 1:* (UID BODY.PEEK[HEADER.FIELDS (FROM)])" I would like to request a feature: clear ordering preference. That would make the sort as the default again. How is that likely to be done? I'm not sure I can request any features. Regards, Webert Lima DevOps Engineer at MAV Tecnologia *Belo Horizonte - Brasil* *IRC NICK - WebertRLZ*

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problem with the carddav plugin
by David Mehler 04 Apr '18

04 Apr '18

Hello, I'm running the latest roundcube stable. I am having an issue with the carddav plugin. When I load it and restart apache to resource the roundcube I am seeing this in the roundcube/logs/errors file: [04-Apr-2018 12:40:32 America/New_York] PHP Warning: dns_get_record(): DNS Query failed in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/carddav/carddav_discovery.php on line 207 [04-Apr-2018 12:40:32 America/New_York] PHP Warning: usort() expects parameter 1 to be array, boolean given in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/carddav/carddav_discovery.php on line 220 [04-Apr-2018 12:40:32 America/New_York] PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/carddav/carddav_discovery.php on line 224 [04-Apr-2018 12:40:32 America/New_York] PHP Warning: dns_get_record(): DNS Query failed in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/carddav/carddav_discovery.php on line 252 [04-Apr-2018 12:40:32 America/New_York] PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/carddav/carddav_discovery.php on line 253 [04-Apr-2018 12:40:32 America/New_York] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function raise_error() in /usr/local/www/roundcube/plugins/recipient_to_contact/recipient_to_contact.php on line 61 I have not altered carddav_discovery.php in any way. If anyone has a fix i'd love to know it. Thanks. Dave.

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Useradd to MySQL
by Andreas Meyer 02 Apr '18

02 Apr '18

Hello! I just stumble a bit understanding at what time a user is added to the db-table roundcubemail/users. Usually my users are stored in the db mailbox at the server. Is the db roundcubemail used at all then? Kind regards Andreas -- PGP-Fingerprint: D392 5D21 0299 63D7 5BAE 4562 1E56 B2EA 81A2 59F1

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roundcube quota
by David Mehler 02 Apr '18

02 Apr '18

Hello, I've got a postfix virtual mail server setup going and using Roundcube as webmail. I've got MySQL database serving quota and both Dovecot and Postfix are configured to utilize it. I'd like to get roundcube working with quota. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. Dave.

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managesieve plugin
by mick crane 02 Apr '18

02 Apr '18

hello, having some bother getting managesieve plugin to work. worked with previous install of roundcube, was called managesieve in webpage settings/filters now is called roundcube. Is writing filter rules to ~/sieve/roundcube.sieve but emails are not moved. is Roundcube Webmail 1.3.5. Debian testing. dovecot --version 2.2.35 (b1cb664) is just for local network. I don't know what is the problem. Probably something dumb. did these things from various destructions on internet > apt-get install dovecot-sieve dovecot-managesieved --- > in /etc/dovecot/conf.d/20-lmtp.conf we add this: > protocol lmtp { > postmaster_address = postmaster(a)YOUR-DOMAIN.com > mail_plugins = $mail_plugins sieve > } (didn't have 20-lmtp.conf but installed it just in case that was the problem) apt install dovecot-lmtpd ---- > edit /etc/dovecot/conf.d/90-sieve.conf and inside “plugin” > configuration add: > sieve = ~/.dovecot.sieve > sieve_global_path = /var/lib/dovecot/sieve/default.sieve > sieve_dir = ~/sieve > sieve_global_dir = /var/lib/dovecot/sieve/ (left this bit alone as sieve = file:~/sieve;active=~/.dovecot.sieve was already there, there is a link in ~/ to ~/sieve/roundcube.sieve) ---- > edit /etc/dovecot/conf.d/20-managesieve.conf for enable listing on port > 4190, >this should be >the top of config file: > ## > ## ManageSieve specific settings > ## > > protocols = $protocols sieve > > # Service definitions > > service managesieve-login { > inet_listener sieve { > port = 4190 > } (can't remember if this was there or not but is now ) ---- > service dovecot restart ---- > > If you try to telnet 4190 it should answer as follow > > root@server:/# telnet 127.0.0.1 4190 ( this works get # telnet 127.0.0.1 4190 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to 127.0.0.1. Escape character is '^]'. "IMPLEMENTATION" "Dovecot (Debian) Pigeonhole" "SIEVE" "fileinto reject envelope encoded-character vacation subaddress comparator-i;ascii-numeric relational regex imap4flags copy include variables body enotify environment mailbox date index ihave duplicate mime foreverypart extracttext" "NOTIFY" "mailto" "SASL" "PLAIN" "STARTTLS" "VERSION" "1.0" OK "Dovecot ready." ) ---- > Activate the plugin in roundcube config file > roundcube_folder/config/config.inc.php: > $rcmail_config['plugins'] = array(......, 'sieverules'); don't have sieverules plugin have managesieve and is $config['plugins'] not rcmail_config ---------- # telnet 127.0.0.1 143 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to 127.0.0.1. Escape character is '^]'. * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE START TLS AUTH=PLAIN] Dovecot ready. mick -- Key ID 4BFEBB31

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Re: [RCU] managesieve plugin
by mick crane 01 Apr '18

01 Apr '18

On 2018-04-01 21:21, Reindl Harald wrote: > > breaking news: paths may differ and files can be created > > since i don't use dovecot at all nor offer sieve to the public i'm done > here, the point was that sieve is a service/protocol on the mailserver > and not just random files in the webmail installation - normally you > don't even run any webserver on the mail machine at all clearly but this is not facing the big bad world. thanks for your efforts. all I want to do is put mail in folders. did it before with procmail if I can't sort this shortly will try some other way. mick -- Key ID 4BFEBB31

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