Hello,
I try to write in english.
Today I've updatet an existing contact/person. In the VCARD from this person is a 'REV:'-tag. This tag is not updatet.
I think that I'm using roundcube 0.82. Would it be possible to add a function which will also update the REV:
Best regards from germany
Ulli
I can't help with your original question, but just wanted to point out that your User-Agent header is broken. It displays as:
User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/RCMAIL_VERSION
You should correct this in main.inc.php to:
$rcmail_config['useragent'] = 'Roundcube Webmail/'.RCMAIL_VERSION;
Then you don't need to doubt anymore which version you are using, ;-)
Michael Heydekamp Co-Admin freexp.de Düsseldorf/Germany
Am 02.11.2012 21:35, schrieb Ulli Heist:
Hello,
I try to write in english.
Today I've updatet an existing contact/person. In the VCARD from this person is a 'REV:'-tag. This tag is not updatet.
I think that I'm using roundcube 0.82. Would it be possible to add a function which will also update the REV: - tag if this exist's?
Best regards from germany
Ulli
-- http://heist.hobby-site.org/Landstuhl _______________________________________________ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
The message quoted below has the following headers:
X-Original-To: users@lists.roundcube.net To: RoundCube Mailingliste users@lists.roundcube.net From: Ulli Heist Ulli.Rainer.Heist@gmx.de Mail-Reply-To: Ulli.Rainer.Heist@gmx.de Reply-To: Ulli.Rainer.Heist@gmx.de, Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net
According to the Reply-To: header, the user apparently wants to receive a reply not only to the list, but also the his personal mail address.
The following happens when I use the several reply options/buttons:
only (as there is no real name given, this address is obviously taken from the Reply-To: or Mail-Reply-To: header), but not to the list. This behaviour is wrong, IMHO.
to "users@lists.roundcube.net" only (as there is no real name given, this address might probably be taken from the X-Original-To: header), but not to the sender. This behaviour is wrong again, IMHO.
and all recipients" button: The reply goes to "Ulli.Rainer.Heist@gmx.de" (obviously taken from the Reply-To: or Mail-Reply-To: header) and in Cc: to "RoundCube Mailingliste users@lists.roundcube.net" (definitely taken from the To: header). This behaviour is more confusing than wrong, anyway it does still not reflect the content of the Reply-To: header and the addresses are taken from different headers.
and all recipients" button: The reply goes to "users@lists.roundcube.net" only (as there is no real name given, this address might probably be taken from the X-Original-To: header), but not to the sender. This behaviour may be considered as correct, although even this could still be arguable as well. And I'm wondering why the recipient is taken from the X-Original-To: header (rather than from the To: header).
I believe it should be reconsidered which headers should be respected and take precedence in which scenario. At least in scenarios 1) to 3) above the content of the Reply-To: header should be respected, IMHO.
Furthermore I'm wondering what the purpose of the Mail-Reply-To: header is and why it is created at all. Generally spoken, from my point of view standard RFC headers (To:, Cc:, Reply-To:, probably Sender:) should take precedence over non-standard headers such as Mail-Reply-To: or X-Original-To:.
Michael Heydekamp Co-Admin freexp.de Düsseldorf/Germany
Am 02.11.2012 21:35, schrieb Ulli Heist:
Hello,
I try to write in english.
Today I've updatet an existing contact/person. In the VCARD from this person is a 'REV:'-tag. This tag is not updatet.
I think that I'm using roundcube 0.82. Would it be possible to add a function which will also update the REV: - tag if this exist's?
Best regards from germany
Ulli
-- http://heist.hobby-site.org/Landstuhl _______________________________________________ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
On 11/09/2012 12:16 PM, Michael Heydekamp wrote:
- Click on "Reply to sender": The reply goes to "Ulli.Rainer.Heist@gmx.de"
only (as there is no real name given, this address is obviously taken from the Reply-To: or Mail-Reply-To: header), but not to the list. This behaviour is wrong, IMHO.
Roundcube uses Mail-Reply-To header as Thunderbird does and I think this is ok, because Mail-Reply-To has precedence.
- Click on "Reply to list or to sender and all recipients": The reply goes
to "users@lists.roundcube.net" only (as there is no real name given, this address might probably be taken from the X-Original-To: header), but not to the sender. This behaviour is wrong again, IMHO.
- Select "Reply all" from the options of the "Reply to list or to sender
and all recipients" button: The reply goes to "Ulli.Rainer.Heist@gmx.de" (obviously taken from the Reply-To: or Mail-Reply-To: header) and in Cc: to "RoundCube Mailingliste users@lists.roundcube.net" (definitely taken from the To: header). This behaviour is more confusing than wrong, anyway it does still not reflect the content of the Reply-To: header and the addresses are taken from different headers.
- Select "Reply list" from the options of the "Reply to list or to sender
and all recipients" button: The reply goes to "users@lists.roundcube.net" only (as there is no real name given, this address might probably be taken from the X-Original-To: header), but not to the sender. This behaviour may be considered as correct, although even this could still be arguable as well. And I'm wondering why the recipient is taken from the X-Original-To: header (rather than from the To: header).
For me it's consistent and Thunderbird does exactly the same.
I believe it should be reconsidered which headers should be respected and take precedence in which scenario. At least in scenarios 1) to 3) above the content of the Reply-To: header should be respected, IMHO.
Furthermore I'm wondering what the purpose of the Mail-Reply-To: header is and why it is created at all. Generally spoken, from my point of view standard RFC headers (To:, Cc:, Reply-To:, probably Sender:) should take precedence over non-standard headers such as Mail-Reply-To: or
http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html
Hello,
According to the Reply-To: header, the user apparently wants to receive a reply not only to the list, but also the his personal mail address.
My Reply-To header is a standard. It's defined at 'Einstellungen' -> 'Identitäten'
If the mailinglist is running with mailman it's possible to change two settings: first_strip_reply_to: Yes reply_goes_to_list: This List then all outgoing mail will have a Reply-To the mailinglist header.
Best regards from Germany
Ulli
P.S.: I've changed my main.inc. My RC-Version is visible. Thanks.
Am 09.11.2012 12:35, schrieb A.L.E.C:
On 11/09/2012 12:16 PM, Michael Heydekamp wrote:
- Click on "Reply to sender": The reply goes to "Ulli.Rainer.Heist@gmx.de"
only (as there is no real name given, this address is obviously taken from the Reply-To: or Mail-Reply-To: header), but not to the list. This behaviour is wrong, IMHO.
Roundcube uses Mail-Reply-To header as Thunderbird does and I think this is ok, because Mail-Reply-To has precedence.
Could you point me to the RFC which does say so? As long as I worked on my own MUA until a few years ago, such Mail-Reply-To: header was AFAIK neither defined nor mentioned in any of the relevant RFCs.
From my point of view "As Thunderbird does" is as a weak argument as "As
Outlook (Express) does" would be.
The RFC standards should take precedence over the proprietary behaviour of which MUA ever.
- Click on "Reply to list or to sender and all recipients": The reply goes
to "users@lists.roundcube.net" only (as there is no real name given, this address might probably be taken from the X-Original-To: header), but not to the sender. This behaviour is wrong again, IMHO.
- Select "Reply all" from the options of the "Reply to list or to sender
and all recipients" button: The reply goes to "Ulli.Rainer.Heist@gmx.de" (obviously taken from the Reply-To: or Mail-Reply-To: header) and in Cc: to "RoundCube Mailingliste users@lists.roundcube.net" (definitely taken from the To: header). This behaviour is more confusing than wrong, anyway it does still not reflect the content of the Reply-To: header and the addresses are taken from different headers.
- Select "Reply list" from the options of the "Reply to list or to sender
and all recipients" button: The reply goes to "users@lists.roundcube.net" only (as there is no real name given, this address might probably be taken from the X-Original-To: header), but not to the sender. This behaviour may be considered as correct, although even this could still be arguable as well. And I'm wondering why the recipient is taken from the X-Original-To: header (rather than from the To: header).
For me it's consistent and Thunderbird does exactly the same.
It's consistent that a) the Reply-To: header is completely ignored in all of these scenarios, b) that the recipient is sometimes taken from the To: header and sometimes from the X-Original-To: header (or a mix of them), and c) that the "Reply all" button does not reply to all?
Hmmm... I'd rather call that confusing. ;-) At least it DID indeed confuse me.
After a quick look it appears to me that this header is supposed to fix mailing list flaws/bugs. These should be fixed at the source (i.e. the mailing list), not by the MUA. Furthermore, the Reply-To: header in question DOES also contain the mailing list address, so what exactly needs to be fixed then?
Michael Heydekamp Co-Admin freexp.de Düsseldorf/Germany
Am 09.11.2012 12:39, schrieb Ulli Heist:
My Reply-To header is a standard. It's defined at 'Einstellungen' -> 'Identitäten'
I know, and your header is absoluteley OK. The problem is that Roundcube does ignore it entirely.