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Re: [RCD] Plugin-Architecture
by Florian Lagg 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

> > Just an idea: Does it make sence to split things up? > > This 'backend-plugin' project for server side actions > > A new "frontend-plugin' project for client side things like JS, Html, > > Ajax-Client, ... > > > Server side is almost done in your patch and I think it's small part of > whole engine. The frontend side of plugins engine is most wanted. > Typical plugin needs are e.g. adding a button in tasklist, adding a tab > in Settings interface, adding a configuration option in User Preferences > (simple tasks, just for start). Of course everything needs feedback in > backend but I think frontend integration is harder to implement. If I understand you right - it does not make sence to split it - right? Fact is: I currently do not have the time to develop a frontent-plugin-architecture and not the Knowledge how RC-Frontend works (... and not the time to look at it, ...). So... What must be done to support future enhanchments in that direction? That is the question we have to think about. I do not want to re-code the whole part because it is unflexible. "I cannot do that right now" doesn't mean "I'll never do it". I just want to get things ready. * RC-Plugin-Arch. (or if you want: backend-plugin-arch. with the option to extend it to the frontend) * Funambol-Plugin These things are requested by my SaaS-customers. Afterwards we can define new milestones, team up and make the world even better ;-) Do you agree? -- Florian Lagg - Florian Lagg - IT-Komplettlösungen Juch 7, 6631 Lermoos tel +43 (699) 10 20 10 24 <http://www.lagg.at/> www.lagg.at - <mailto:info@lagg.at> info(a)lagg.at - Xing: <http://www.xing.com/go/invite/7372113.3da562> http://www.xing.com/go/invite/7372113.3da562 - _______________________________________________ List info: http://lists.roundcube.net/dev/

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Sieve
by Jeroen Koekkoek 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

Hi Alec, and everyone else of course :-) I also created a sieve plugin, but I ported it from Avelsieve. It contains all the functionality Avelsieve has (except from the special Spam rules, they where based on other Squirrelmail plugins). I found your patch before I started working on it, but I noticed you didn't implement all the features I needed. Are you still actively developing the sieve plugin? I'm currently working on making the interface AJAX compatible. After that it should be "ready". If it isn't to much to ask, I'd like to propose that I finish my plugin and upload it somewhere so that it can become a shared effort. You see, I invested quite some time (as have you I'm sure), I would just hate it if we where both working on the exact same thing. How would you feel about that? I'm open for ideas etc. I'm hoping to hear from you. Kind regards, Jeroen Koekkoek P.S. I hope you don't find this message offending in any way, I'm just looking for the best way to implement the features I need into RoundCube. _______________________________________________ List info: http://lists.roundcube.net/dev/

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backspace delete message patch
by Kris Steinhoff 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

I submitted a small patch which captures backspace to delete a message. http://trac.roundcube.net/ticket/1484566 This is particularly useful when using Mac laptop keyboards which don't have a forward delete key (fn-backspace sends forward delete). Are there users who will expect to have backspace take them back in their history while using RoundCube? Would it be unreasonable to break that expectation? (I think it is.) A user setting could be added to modify the behavior of this patch. -kris -- Kris Steinhoff Web Application Developer Web/DB Team, Information Technology Central Services The University of Michigan _______________________________________________ List info: http://lists.roundcube.net/dev/

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Re: [RCD] Plugin-Architecture
by Florian Lagg 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

Hi, thanks for reviewing. I'll wait until next weekend for other ideas and discussion. The list so far: > 1. Auto-calling plugin actions for build-in tasks/actions, it means we > should add (in index.php) code for automatic calling of actions e.g. > 'mail-compose-before', 'mail-compose-after', 'mail-sendmail-before', > etc. and probably also 'mail-before', 'mail-after', etc. yes - sure. btw. I like the style "mail-compose-before" (or "user-login-after" as in my example) It's pretty clearer than my definition. I'll patch the existing code where I need it right now. Maybe we could team up to implement it everywhere, or could implement it module-by-module. We should have a list where actions should be called. I do not have the time to do this alone. > 2. Possibility to use own tasks/actions (I mean > /?_task=settings&_action=myaction or /?_task=mytask) such as a calendar-plugin ;-) lovely. Would be great - but somewhat out of scope I think. Shouldn't we better concentrate on the core plugin-arch and extend it later? But we have to talk about how to implement this later. > 3. Javascript part - for javascript functions/actions (in similar > fasion) including point above. again. Out of scope for my purpose. How can we extend it later to support this? > 4. Possibility to add UI part from plugin without skins modification. > It's "must have", but I think, we can live without that for now. same. We do not have any of these options right now so let's do the core. > 5. Actions priority - if we have few plugins for the same action which > should be executed first? > 6. Config option(s) for enabling/disabling plugin parts. Let's say we > have a plugin with few features, but we need only one. Ok, we can have > separate configuration for each plugin, but maybe something global? > Let's say using regexp. It may be used for temporary disabling whole > plugins without removing files from plugins/ dir. E.g. > $rcmail_config['disabled_plugins'] = 'plugin2 plugin3::mail-compose.* plugin3::settings.*'; Yes, agree. I thought about it but someone on the list denied the use of configuration. But I think this is a must-have. $rcmail_config['disabled_plugins'] = 'plugin2 plugin3::mail-compose.* plugin3::settings.*'; could be a problem because a plugin could possibly rely on some actions - which could be turned off (2nd and 3rd example). What about: $rcmail_config['enabled_plugins'] = array( 'plugin1', 'plugin2' ); If a plugin has parts which could be turned off and on it should have it's own configuration. This is IMHO the plugin part. > > Just to make sure. The plugin system we're talking about here doesnt just > > allow actions, but also small hooks everywhere throughout the code/templates? > > Yes for me. I think templates engine should call plugin actions > before/after each template object (objects, but also e.g. buttons and > every template tag with specified name) and return content from those > actions. Hi, A.L.E.C., thanks for joining us in design phase ;-) Everywhere in the code - yes. This should be a milestone in future. Everywhere in the template - I don't know much about your templating. How/where do we have to implement it? Just an idea: Does it make sence to split things up? This 'fackend-plugin' project for server side actions A new "frontend-plugin' project for client side things like JS, Html, Ajax-Client, ... Both should share the ./plugins directory so that a plugin can work with both. As I do not have any good insight of RC-Templating this could be a bad idea anyway. Dont know. Waiting for futher comments ;-) Thank you. -- Florian Lagg - Florian Lagg - IT-Komplettlösungen Juch 7, 6631 Lermoos tel +43 (699) 10 20 10 24 www.lagg.at - info(a)lagg.at - Xing: http://www.xing.com/go/invite/7372113.3da562 - _______________________________________________ List info: http://lists.roundcube.net/dev/

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Updated Croatian translations
by Svebor Prstacic 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

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Re: [RCD] Plugin-Architecture
by Florian Lagg 02 Aug '08

02 Aug '08

> Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:45 +0100 > From: Phil Weir <roundcube(a)tehinterweb.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [RCD] Plugin-Architecture > To: dev(a)lists.roundcube.net > Message-ID: <619ca76367db5da740680a8de7b25c53(a)sitespider.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi, Hi, > I have made a couple of patches for changing user password and spam > assassin settings stuff like that. I guess you have seen Alec?s sieve > plugin (http://alec.pl/roundcube/managesieve/). No, I havn't. I just looked over the patch file and these are my conclusions: The only relevant parts to this plugin-architecture is imho in index.php. -------------------- + if ($RCMAIL->action=='managesieve') + include('program/steps/settings/managesieve.inc'); -------------------- It declares a new "action" which is called from the frontend. Although if there should be a more generic way to extend RC for more actions this is currently not scope of this project. Same applies to plugins on the client side. Tell me if I missed something. Btw: I have no Idea how sieve works. I just know what it should do. Don't understand me wrong. It should be in scope in future - but not now. I want to get up & running with a minimalistic Version very quick. But I will keep these points in mind. > There is a guy on the forum called rosali, he has been > working on a plugin > arc. I told him he should send what he has got to this list > but I don?t > think he has. Hm... I was refered to A.L.E.C. for the plugin project which told me he is to busy (and the project is stalled therefore). I havn't got any Mails from rosali. I'll try to implement it tomorrow evening if I find some free minutes ;-) Anyhow ... if I get some Info until then I will have a look at it. Thx. I hope I could provide a small patch on monday for testing. But I do not promise as I am very busy. _______________________________________________ List info: http://lists.roundcube.net/dev/

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Re: [RCD] Sieve
by Michael Baierl 02 Aug '08

02 Aug '08

Patrick Nagel wrote: > Plugin or not... always debatable, I guess. > > Take LDAP addressbook support, for example - isn't that something that > could > also be provided by a plugin? It also requires configuring a backend system > (an LDAP directory). Absolutely - if there is a flexible framework almost everything except the framework itself can be a plugin - with some plugins required (see Typo3 for a great sample of this!). But unless this Plugin system is done its hard to implement something like this without patching the sources.... so first job: plugin architecture! > On a side note: funny that we're currently all using Thunderbird as our > mail client ;) I'm sure mainly because a desktop client is always ways better and better performing than any Web based application can be... and on your own systems you usually can install applications... Mike -- Michael Baierl <http://mbaierl.com/blog/> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Viele Lieder wurden nach dramatischen Ereignissen geschrieben, man erinnere sich an "Candle in the wind" oder "Meine Oma fährt im Hühnerstall Motorad". (german-bash.org) _______________________________________________ List info: http://lists.roundcube.net/dev/

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Sieve
by Jeroen Koekkoek 02 Aug '08

02 Aug '08

Hi Everybody, I created a sieve plugin for RoundCube. It is based on Avelsieve and is compatible with existing Avelsieve scripts. All functionality Avelsieve has is implemented. I would like to upload my code and let other people have a look at it, if people are interested in it of course. Are there plans to make sieve a part of the basic distribution? If so, how do I continue from here? Kind regards, Jeroen Koekkoek _______________________________________________ List info: http://lists.roundcube.net/dev/

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