Hi guys!
Thomas:
the change you make to the license of the Default Skin, as i can understand, makes so difficult for a company to use roundcube for commercial purposes.
The license http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ states that you have lots of attributions but "Not commercial Use".
I think that roundcube needs to have a "base theme" (GPL, CC-by-sa, CC-by, etc) from which one can build themes without having legal issues.
Suppose a webmaster, adapting a RC Theme to suit the graphical design of a given bussiness, with the new license that job cannot use the default skin as a start base; the new skin needs to be written from scratch!. For every new version of roundcube, the entire skin needs to be reviewed.
The other point, i'm even more worried about, is using roundcube as the webmail solution on a ISP, using the default skin. I'm reading the entire CC-by-nc license, but if this is a commercial use of the skin... ¿does it fit into the permissions granted by the Skin's license?
i would be less worried if the license was CC-by-sa
regards!
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hey,
On 28/05/2010 Carlos Pasqualini wrote:
the change you make to the license of the Default Skin, as i can understand, makes so difficult for a company to use roundcube for commercial purposes.
The license http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ states that you have lots of attributions but "Not commercial Use".
I think that roundcube needs to have a "base theme" (GPL, CC-by-sa, CC-by, etc) from which one can build themes without having legal issues.
i agree with you that CC-by-nc is a bad license for the default skin. For example it's a reason to keep roundcube out of linux/bsd/... distributions.
i don't know whether relicensing the default skin is an option. if not, then a new default skin with a more permissive, really free license would be necessary.
FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora all have roundcube available as package/port, and they would need to drop/substitude the skin in order to update the package/port to latest version.
Suppose a webmaster, adapting a RC Theme to suit the graphical design of a given bussiness, with the new license that job cannot use the default skin as a start base; the new skin needs to be written from scratch!. For every new version of roundcube, the entire skin needs to be reviewed.
The other point, i'm even more worried about, is using roundcube as the webmail solution on a ISP, using the default skin. I'm reading the entire CC-by-nc license, but if this is a commercial use of the skin... ¿does it fit into the permissions granted by the Skin's license?
i would be less worried if the license was CC-by-sa
yes, version 3 of CC-by-sa would be good. even better would be a more permissive license. for debians point of view (as an example) see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
greetings, jonas
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What the developers want relicensing the skin ? Slowdown the adoption of roundcube ?
I don't believe roundcube will receive many contributions (talking about the skin) from the commercial users, like ISPs.
Why I will contribute with a code to be used in the default skin if I can't use it ?
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:38:57 +0200, Jonas Meurer jonas@freesources.org wrote:
hey,
On 28/05/2010 Carlos Pasqualini wrote:
the change you make to the license of the Default Skin, as i can understand, makes so difficult for a company to use roundcube for commercial purposes.
The license http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ states that you have lots of attributions but "Not commercial Use".
I think that roundcube needs to have a "base theme" (GPL, CC-by-sa, CC-by, etc) from which one can build themes without having legal
issues.
i agree with you that CC-by-nc is a bad license for the default skin. For example it's a reason to keep roundcube out of linux/bsd/... distributions.
i don't know whether relicensing the default skin is an option. if not, then a new default skin with a more permissive, really free license would be necessary.
FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora all have roundcube available as package/port, and they would need to drop/substitude the skin in order to update the package/port to latest version.
Suppose a webmaster, adapting a RC Theme to suit the graphical design
of
a given bussiness, with the new license that job cannot use the default skin as a start base; the new skin needs to be written from scratch!. For every new version of roundcube, the entire skin needs to be reviewed.
The other point, i'm even more worried about, is using roundcube as the webmail solution on a ISP, using the default skin. I'm reading the entire CC-by-nc license, but if this is a commercial use of the skin... ¿does it fit into the permissions granted by the Skin's license?
i would be less worried if the license was CC-by-sa
yes, version 3 of CC-by-sa would be good. even better would be a more permissive license. for debians point of view (as an example) see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
greetings, jonas
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Jonas Meurer wrote:
The other point, i'm even more worried about, is using roundcube as the webmail solution on a ISP, using the default skin. I'm reading the entire CC-by-nc license, but if this is a commercial use of the skin... ¿does it fit into the permissions granted by the Skin's license?
i would be less worried if the license was CC-by-sa
yes, version 3 of CC-by-sa would be good. even better would be a more permissive license. for debians point of view (as an example) see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
Using the default skin on a commercial hosted service shouldn't be a problem. Since the skin contains icons artwork from other autors I'll have to check with them about a Share Alike option.
I'll certainly take you suggestions into account.
Regards, Thomas
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:20:01 +0200, Thomas Bruederli roundcube@gmail.com wrote:
Jonas Meurer wrote:
The other point, i'm even more worried about, is using roundcube as
the
webmail solution on a ISP, using the default skin. I'm reading the entire CC-by-nc license, but if this is a commercial use of the
skin...
¿does it fit into the permissions granted by the Skin's license?
i would be less worried if the license was CC-by-sa
yes, version 3 of CC-by-sa would be good. even better would be a more permissive license. for debians point of view (as an example) see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
Using the default skin on a commercial hosted service shouldn't be a problem. Since the skin contains icons artwork from other autors I'll
have
to check with them about a Share Alike option.
I'll certainly take you suggestions into account.
Regards, Thomas
List info: http://lists.roundcube.net/dev/
Great!
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El lun, 07-06-2010 a las 18:20 +0200, Thomas Bruederli escribió:
I'll certainly take you suggestions into account.
good news!
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hey thomas,
On 07/06/2010 Thomas Bruederli wrote:
Jonas Meurer wrote:
The other point, i'm even more worried about, is using roundcube as the webmail solution on a ISP, using the default skin. I'm reading the entire CC-by-nc license, but if this is a commercial use of the skin... ¿does it fit into the permissions granted by the Skin's license?
i would be less worried if the license was CC-by-sa
yes, version 3 of CC-by-sa would be good. even better would be a more permissive license. for debians point of view (as an example) see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
Using the default skin on a commercial hosted service shouldn't be a problem. Since the skin contains icons artwork from other autors I'll have to check with them about a Share Alike option.
I'll certainly take you suggestions into account.
that's good news. but what exactly does it mean? you check with authors to change to ca-by-sa version 3? that would be great, and that way free linux/*bsd/... distros could continue to distribute roundcubemail.
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