For all the translators, you can find info about those headers on the following URL:
http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html http://www.leptonite.org/mft/ https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Help_Documentation:Mail-Followup- To_and_Mail-Reply-To
2010.12.02 06:44, David Garabana Barro rašė:
For all the translators, you can find info about those headers on the following URL:
http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html http://www.leptonite.org/mft/ https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Help_Documentation:Mail-Followup- To_and_Mail-Reply-To
While we're at this: I find this extremely unnecessary and confusing to have both links – "Add Reply-To" and "Add Mail-Reply-To" – in the compose page. If Roundcube developers believe in Mail-Reply-To's usefullness, then a single link (Add Reply address) should simply add both headers. If you don't believe in this header, or think this should be up to somebody (admin or user) to decide, then either remove it, or make it an option (either in the config file or in the interface). But don't just drop both of these headers on users and expect them to do what's right, because most of them will not.
I also think it would be less nicer if those links were named by functions (Add Reply To) rather than header names (Add Reply-To). While the three header names we had there prior to introducing Mail-* stuff were basically the same as the functions, I wouldn't say that about the two latest entries in that list.
So, instead of this list: Add Cc | Add Bcc | Add Reply-To | Add Mail-Reply-To | Add Mail-Followup-To I suggest this: Add Cc | Add Bcc | Add Reply Address | Add Followup Address or at least this: Add Cc | Add Bcc | Add Reply-To | Add Followup-To
In my opinion, this would make RC less complicated, and I think this was the primary goal of RC, no?
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2010.12.05 22:10, Rimas Kudelis rašė:
I also think it would be less nicer
Oops, this had to say either "less confusing", or "nicer", but definately not "less nicer".
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On 05.12.2010 21:10, Rimas Kudelis wrote:
I find this extremely unnecessary and confusing to have both links – "Add Reply-To" and "Add Mail-Reply-To" – in the compose page. If Roundcube developers believe in Mail-Reply-To's usefullness, then a single link (Add Reply address) should simply add both headers. If you don't believe in this header, or think this should be up to somebody (admin or user) to decide, then either remove it, or make it an option (either in the config file or in the interface). But don't just drop both of these headers on users and expect them to do what's right, because most of them will not.
I agree that having both Reply-To and Mail-Reply-To will confuse most users.
-1 for "a single link [...] should simply add both headers" This is not transparent and will do the wrong thing in some cases.
+1 for make it configurable (and disabled by default) if Mail-Reply-To is shown. Reply-To should always be available since it's the most common of these headers.
Daniel
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2010.12.07 10:01, Daniel Faber rašė:
On 05.12.2010 21:10, Rimas Kudelis wrote:
I find this extremely unnecessary and confusing to have both links – "Add Reply-To" and "Add Mail-Reply-To" – in the compose page. If Roundcube developers believe in Mail-Reply-To's usefullness, then a single link (Add Reply address) should simply add both headers. If you don't believe in this header, or think this should be up to somebody (admin or user) to decide, then either remove it, or make it an option (either in the config file or in the interface). But don't just drop both of these headers on users and expect them to do what's right, because most of them will not.
I agree that having both Reply-To and Mail-Reply-To will confuse most users.
-1 for "a single link [...] should simply add both headers" This is not transparent and will do the wrong thing in some cases.
+1 for make it configurable (and disabled by default) if Mail-Reply-To is shown. Reply-To should always be available since it's the most common of these headers.
My point was that both headers are designated to do the same, so what's the point to let the user add one and not add the other? What cases do you have in mind where this would produce undesired results?
And specifically to avoid confusion, I suggested renaming using wording like "Add Reply Address" instead of "Add $Header-Name".
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On 05.12.2010 21:10, Rimas Kudelis wrote:
Add Cc | Add Bcc | Add Reply-To | Add Followup-To
Done in r4328 and r4331.
Hi,
2010.12.10 09:47, A.L.E.C rašė:
On 05.12.2010 21:10, Rimas Kudelis wrote:
Add Cc | Add Bcc | Add Reply-To | Add Followup-To
Done in r4328 and r4331.
cool, thanks! Will this get into 0.5 ?
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On 10.12.2010 09:08, Rimas Kudelis wrote:
Done in r4328 and r4331.
cool, thanks! Will this get into 0.5 ?
Yes. Like always, changes in trunk are included in next release.
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Rimas Kudelis rq@akl.lt wrote:
2010.12.07 10:01, Daniel Faber rašė:
On 05.12.2010 21:10, Rimas Kudelis wrote:
I find this extremely unnecessary and confusing to have both links – "Add Reply-To" and "Add Mail-Reply-To" – in the compose page. If Roundcube developers believe in Mail-Reply-To's usefullness, then a single link (Add Reply address) should simply add both headers. If you don't believe in this header, or think this should be up to somebody (admin or user) to decide, then either remove it, or make it an option (either in the config file or in the interface). But don't just drop both of these headers on users and expect them to do what's right, because most of them will not.
I agree that having both Reply-To and Mail-Reply-To will confuse most
users.
-1 for "a single link [...] should simply add both headers" This is not transparent and will do the wrong thing in some cases.
+1 for make it configurable (and disabled by default) if Mail-Reply-To is shown. Reply-To should always be available since it's the most common of these headers.
My point was that both headers are designated to do the same, so what's the point to let the user add one and not add the other? What cases do you have in mind where this would produce undesired results?
And specifically to avoid confusion, I suggested renaming using wording like "Add Reply Address" instead of "Add $Header-Name".
"Send replies to:"
And amusing sidenote: Gmail defaults to sending replies to this list to the original sender. Thunderbird defaults to sending to the list.
I have yet to truly get which does which, so I accidentally sent this directly to Rimas originally..... Yet one more reason to get RCD setup and running for my future email usage - then I can have an offline/online email reader where *I* get to tell it how to behave[since I can code PHP and change it to do what I want]
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On 12/13/2010 11:10 PM, Gary Mort wrote:
Thunderbird defaults to sending to the list.
no, i have to correct you. hitting ctrl+r replies to your personal addresss at least with tb 3.1.x (currently 3.1.8pre Gecko/20101209)
there is a "reply to list" button thou.
also, please refer to the thread http://lists.roundcube.net/mail-archive/dev/2010-11/0000038.html
cheers, raoul
On 12/13/2010 5:20 PM, Raoul Bhatia [IPAX] wrote:
On 12/13/2010 11:10 PM, Gary Mort wrote:
Thunderbird defaults to sending to the list.
no, i have to correct you. hitting ctrl+r replies to your personal addresss at least with tb 3.1.x
This list actually fails to set any of the standard list headers. No List-* headers. No Reply-to munging.. etc.
Try it with a list that sets the RFC compliant list-* headers and/or reply-to munging and gmail and thundebird are not consistent.
Also, may I refer you to: http://lists.roundcube.net/mail-archive/dev/2010-11/0000061.html in the thread you linked me to. :-)
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2010.12.14 04:19, Gary Mort rašė:
On 12/13/2010 5:20 PM, Raoul Bhatia [IPAX] wrote:
On 12/13/2010 11:10 PM, Gary Mort wrote:
Thunderbird defaults to sending to the list.
no, i have to correct you. hitting ctrl+r replies to your personal addresss at least with tb 3.1.x
This list actually fails to set any of the standard list headers. No List-* headers. No Reply-to munging.. etc.
No, it doesn't:
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