According to short discussion in http://trac.roundcube.net/ticket/1489001 I see that it is possible to set top-posting with signature below the quote. It sounds confusing and useless.
Now when we have "When replying" option (reply_mode) I propose to remove "When replying or forwarding place signature" option (sig_above). Signature position should be always below the reply text (not the quote) and reply_mode already defines this position.
reply_mode=0 -> reply below the quote with sig below the reply text reply_mode=1 -> reply above the quote with sig below the reply text
Any objections?
Am 21.03.2013 09:40, schrieb A.L.E.C:
According to short discussion in http://trac.roundcube.net/ticket/1489001 I see that it is possible to set top-posting with signature below the quote. It sounds confusing and useless.
ACK.
Now when we have "When replying" option (reply_mode) I propose to remove "When replying or forwarding place signature" option (sig_above). Signature position should be always below the reply text (not the quote) and reply_mode already defines this position.
reply_mode=0 -> reply below the quote with sig below the reply text reply_mode=1 -> reply above the quote with sig below the reply text
Any objections?
Absolutely not, most appreciated! As long as it works this way:
reply_mode=0 (inline quoting):
intro template [cursor position]
quoted text
signature
reply_mode=1 (top posting):
[cursor position] signature intro template
quoted text
And if you want to add something to the wishlist: I'd like to have such an option in the addressbook (which will override any general option). I'm in touch with the good ol' folks who are used to inline quoting, as well as with the younger or not-so-experienced people who have grown up with top posting.
Plus an option to select between a German/English/whatever intro template per user. And to create an individual intro template at all...
Ok, that's too much to ask for in just one message. ;)
Cheers,
Michael Heydekamp Co-Admin freexp.de Düsseldorf/Germany
On 03/21/2013 09:59 PM, Michael Heydekamp wrote:
reply_mode=0 (inline quoting):
intro template [cursor position]
quoted text
signature
Cursor position is another thing and (correct me) currently we have
intro template
quoted text
[cursor position] signature
and for me it's better.
Am 22.03.2013 08:37, schrieb A.L.E.C:
On 03/21/2013 09:59 PM, Michael Heydekamp wrote:
reply_mode=0 (inline quoting):
intro template [cursor position]
quoted text
signature
Cursor position is another thing and (correct me) currently we have
intro template
quoted text
[cursor position] signature
Yes, that's what we currently have.
and for me it's better.
Because...?
A typical inline quoting (at least how I've learned it in the mid-eighties in FidoNet and also later on in Usenet) doesn't place a full-reply below a full-quote, but it does look this way:
quote quote quote
reply reply reply
quote quote quote
reply reply reply
quote quote quote
reply reply reply [...]
That also means that paragraphs/lines the recipient doesn't need or want to reply to, shall be deleted.
And with this procedure (replying to and probably deleting parts of the quote) you want to start from the top of course, not from the bottom. That's why the cursor position below the intro template does make more sense to me.
But if there should be sound reasons to place the cursor below the quote in the case of inline quoting (currently I couldn't think of any), it could be made an option...? Preferably together with the selection of the quoting style (rather than having a separate option):
- Top posting
- Inline quoting (cursor below quote)
- Inline quoting (cursor above quote)
Or however "Top posting" and "Inline quoting" shall be phrased.
Cheers,
Michael Heydekamp Co-Admin freexp.de Düsseldorf/Germany
Am 22.03.2013 19:10, schrieb Michael Heydekamp:
Am 22.03.2013
08:37, schrieb A.L.E.C:
On 03/21/2013 09:59 PM, Michael Heydekamp
wrote:
reply_mode=0 (inline quoting):
------------------------------ intro template [cursor position]
quoted text
signature
Cursor position is another thing and
(correct me) currently we have
intro template
quoted
text
[cursor position] signature
Yes, that's what we currently
have.
Yes, that's what I prefer as well. With RC 0.8.5 it doesn't work at all most of the time in HTML mode. When pressing enter, the blue line does not get interrupted. When I click on the block quote icon the blue line gets removed from a larger block, not only the lines I have inserted. Sometimes it does work though, but so far I have not been able to figure out what it depends on.
Manfred
Am 23.03.2013 08:51, schrieb Manfred Usselmann:
Am 22.03.2013 19:10, schrieb Michael Heydekamp:
A typical inline quoting (at least how I've learned it in the mid-eighties in FidoNet and also later on in Usenet) doesn't place a full-reply below a full-quote, but it does look this way:
quote quote quote
reply reply reply
quote quote quote
reply reply reply
quote quote quote
reply reply reply [...]
That also means that paragraphs/lines the recipient doesn't need or want to reply to, shall be deleted.
Yes, that's what I prefer as well. With RC 0.8.5 it doesn't work at all most of the time in HTML mode. When pressing enter, the blue line does not get interrupted. When I click on the block quote icon the blue line gets removed from a larger block, not only the lines I have inserted. Sometimes it does work though, but so far I have not been able to figure out what it depends on.
Although I fully support that this should work, HTML mail is a pain in the ass anyway. If I'm looking alone at your mail I'm just responding to...
If I reply to the HTML part:
- the quote levels get confused (my text looks as if would have been written
by you, as it's the same quote level, see above),
- in my example of a typical inline quote there are additional blank lines
which were not there originally.
And the format of the text part is just too strange at all to use it for quoting (I'll describe that in a later mail). Plus, even worse, that there is text missing.
Cheers,
Michael Heydekamp Co-Admin freexp.de Düsseldorf/Germany
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