The standard behavior is for
command-click to perform non-contiguous multiple select. shift-click performs contiguous multiple select command-shift-click appears to perform just like shift-click
At least that's how it works in the Finder, which I think should be the Mac reference for this type of behaviour.
I think that substituting command for control with the current roundcube behaviour would be fine though as it's really just "more" functionality.
: jamie
"Much human ingenuity has gone into finding the ultimate Before. The current state of knowledge can be summarized thus: In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded"
- Terry Pratchett
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:21:20 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Is that the standard behavior for Macs? When I implemented the select/control-click behavior, I studied exactly what Outlook, Outlook Express and Thunderbird did in Windows (XP) and attempted to emulate that exact behavior. I don't have a Mac, but if someone could describe the exact behavior and key combinations with a Mac on a similar set of standard applications, I'd be happy to attempt to implement it.
Key combinations to test are:
Click Shift-Click Command-Click Command-Shift-Click
Situations to test are each of these in different combinations with each other in different scenarios:
When nothing is selected When a continous list of things are selected When a non-continuous list of things are selected
So for instance, what happens when you click a list item, shift-click an item 5 below it, command-click an item two up from that one and then command-shift-click an item another 10 up from that?
If you can tell me definitively that a Command-click and command-shift-click do the exact same thing in all situations as a Control, then that will be an easy change. The key is predictability. What I'm going for here is the exact same behavior in RC as in ... well whatever you Mac users use for e-mail.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
This new select behavior is nice for contiguous selection but doesn't
really work on Macintosh. When you control-click you get the context menu (right click for Mac). Can you add the behavior so that the Command key will do the same on the Mac as Control?
: jamie
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by"
- Douglas Adams
Here's a patch that might fix the problem and which at the very least doesn't break for Firefox. Any mac users wanna give it a try?
Jamie Halmick wrote:
The standard behavior is for
command-click to perform non-contiguous multiple select. shift-click performs contiguous multiple select command-shift-click appears to perform just like shift-click
At least that's how it works in the Finder, which I think should be the Mac reference for this type of behaviour.
I think that substituting command for control with the current roundcube behaviour would be fine though as it's really just "more" functionality.
: jamie
"Much human ingenuity has gone into finding the ultimate Before. The current state of knowledge can be summarized thus: In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded"
- Terry Pratchett
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:21:20 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Is that the standard behavior for Macs? When I implemented the select/control-click behavior, I studied exactly what Outlook, Outlook Express and Thunderbird did in Windows (XP) and attempted to emulate that exact behavior. I don't have a Mac, but if someone could describe the exact behavior and key combinations with a Mac on a similar set of standard applications, I'd be happy to attempt to implement it.
Key combinations to test are:
Click Shift-Click Command-Click Command-Shift-Click
Situations to test are each of these in different combinations with each other in different scenarios:
When nothing is selected When a continous list of things are selected When a non-continuous list of things are selected
So for instance, what happens when you click a list item, shift-click an item 5 below it, command-click an item two up from that one and then command-shift-click an item another 10 up from that?
If you can tell me definitively that a Command-click and command-shift-click do the exact same thing in all situations as a Control, then that will be an easy change. The key is predictability. What I'm going for here is the exact same behavior in RC as in ... well whatever you Mac users use for e-mail.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
This new select behavior is nice for contiguous selection but doesn't
really work on Macintosh. When you control-click you get the context menu (right click for Mac). Can you add the behavior so that the Command key will do the same on the Mac as Control?
: jamie
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by"
- Douglas Adams
Index: app.js
RCS file: /cvsroot/roundcubemail/roundcubemail/program/js/app.js,v retrieving revision 1.32 diff -r1.32 app.js 268d267 < if (e.stopPropagation) e.stopPropagation(); 296c295
< } else {return false};
} else {return true;}
2967a2967,2972
var keyControl = e.ctrlKey if (this.mac && !this.ie) { keyControl = e.metaKey }
2970c2975
< opcode += (e.ctrlKey && CONTROL_KEY) + (e.shiftKey && SHIFT_KEY);
opcode += (keyControl && CONTROL_KEY) + (e.shiftKey && SHIFT_KEY);
Actually, looking at the code again, it might not be that hard to support IE for Mac. Can any Mac users confirm on this page: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events/keys.html that the keyCode for Command is 91?
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
The standard behavior is for
command-click to perform non-contiguous multiple select. shift-click performs contiguous multiple select command-shift-click appears to perform just like shift-click
At least that's how it works in the Finder, which I think should be the Mac reference for this type of behaviour.
I think that substituting command for control with the current roundcube behaviour would be fine though as it's really just "more" functionality.
: jamie
"Much human ingenuity has gone into finding the ultimate Before. The current state of knowledge can be summarized thus: In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded"
- Terry Pratchett
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:21:20 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Is that the standard behavior for Macs? When I implemented the select/control-click behavior, I studied exactly what Outlook, Outlook Express and Thunderbird did in Windows (XP) and attempted to emulate that exact behavior. I don't have a Mac, but if someone could describe the exact behavior and key combinations with a Mac on a similar set of standard applications, I'd be happy to attempt to implement it.
Key combinations to test are:
Click Shift-Click Command-Click Command-Shift-Click
Situations to test are each of these in different combinations with each other in different scenarios:
When nothing is selected When a continous list of things are selected When a non-continuous list of things are selected
So for instance, what happens when you click a list item, shift-click an item 5 below it, command-click an item two up from that one and then command-shift-click an item another 10 up from that?
If you can tell me definitively that a Command-click and command-shift-click do the exact same thing in all situations as a Control, then that will be an easy change. The key is predictability. What I'm going for here is the exact same behavior in RC as in ... well whatever you Mac users use for e-mail.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
This new select behavior is nice for contiguous selection but doesn't
really work on Macintosh. When you control-click you get the context menu (right click for Mac). Can you add the behavior so that the Command key will do the same on the Mac as Control?
: jamie
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by"
- Douglas Adams
Can someone with a Mac test this patch and see if it works for IE and/or Mozilla, Safari, etc? Again what is being tested it the use of the Command key for selecting single non-continuous messages.
-Charles
Charles McNulty wrote:
Actually, looking at the code again, it might not be that hard to support IE for Mac. Can any Mac users confirm on this page: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events/keys.html that the keyCode for Command is 91?
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
The standard behavior is for
command-click to perform non-contiguous multiple select. shift-click performs contiguous multiple select command-shift-click appears to perform just like shift-click
At least that's how it works in the Finder, which I think should be the Mac reference for this type of behaviour.
I think that substituting command for control with the current roundcube behaviour would be fine though as it's really just "more" functionality.
: jamie
"Much human ingenuity has gone into finding the ultimate Before. The current state of knowledge can be summarized thus: In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded"
- Terry Pratchett
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:21:20 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Is that the standard behavior for Macs? When I implemented the select/control-click behavior, I studied exactly what Outlook, Outlook Express and Thunderbird did in Windows (XP) and attempted to emulate that exact behavior. I don't have a Mac, but if someone could describe the exact behavior and key combinations with a Mac on a similar set of standard applications, I'd be happy to attempt to implement it.
Key combinations to test are:
Click Shift-Click Command-Click Command-Shift-Click
Situations to test are each of these in different combinations with each other in different scenarios:
When nothing is selected When a continous list of things are selected When a non-continuous list of things are selected
So for instance, what happens when you click a list item, shift-click an item 5 below it, command-click an item two up from that one and then command-shift-click an item another 10 up from that?
If you can tell me definitively that a Command-click and command-shift-click do the exact same thing in all situations as a Control, then that will be an easy change. The key is predictability. What I'm going for here is the exact same behavior in RC as in ... well whatever you Mac users use for e-mail.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
This new select behavior is nice for contiguous selection but doesn't
really work on Macintosh. When you control-click you get the context menu (right click for Mac). Can you add the behavior so that the Command key will do the same on the Mac as Control?
: jamie
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by"
- Douglas Adams
Index: app.js
RCS file: /cvsroot/roundcubemail/roundcubemail/program/js/app.js,v retrieving revision 1.32 diff -r1.32 app.js 268d267 < if (e.stopPropagation) e.stopPropagation(); 296c295
< } else {return false};
} else {return true;}
2967a2967,2972
var keyControl = e.ctrlKey if (this.mac) { keyControl = (e.keyCode = 91) }
2970c2975
< opcode += (e.ctrlKey && CONTROL_KEY) + (e.shiftKey && SHIFT_KEY);
opcode += (keyControl && CONTROL_KEY) + (e.shiftKey && SHIFT_KEY);
I tried applying these changes and the command key still doesn't do anything. If I use ctrl-click I get the desired behavior but no context-menu (maybe that's just a change in the newer app.js I downloaded from cvs) except if I hold ctrl-shift-click the context menu flashes up for a second and disappears. I'll make sure I've updated the entire app from cvs later tonight and re-apply the patch and test.
: jamie
By doing just a little each day, I can gradually let the task overwhelm me.
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:54:02 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Can someone with a Mac test this patch and see if it works for IE and/or Mozilla, Safari, etc? Again what is being tested it the use of the Command key for selecting single non-continuous messages.
-Charles
Charles McNulty wrote:
Actually, looking at the code again, it might not be that hard to support IE for Mac. Can any Mac users confirm on this page: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events/keys.html that the keyCode for Command is 91?
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
The standard behavior is for
command-click to perform non-contiguous multiple select. shift-click performs contiguous multiple select command-shift-click appears to perform just like shift-click
At least that's how it works in the Finder, which I think should be the Mac reference for this type of behaviour.
I think that substituting command for control with the current
roundcube
behaviour would be fine though as it's really just "more"
functionality.
: jamie
"Much human ingenuity has gone into finding the ultimate Before. The current state of knowledge can be summarized thus: In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded"
- Terry Pratchett
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:21:20 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Is that the standard behavior for Macs? When I implemented the select/control-click behavior, I studied exactly what Outlook, Outlook Express and Thunderbird did in Windows (XP) and attempted to emulate that exact behavior. I don't have a Mac, but if someone could
describe
the exact behavior and key combinations with a Mac on a similar set of standard applications, I'd be happy to attempt to implement it.
Key combinations to test are:
Click Shift-Click Command-Click Command-Shift-Click
Situations to test are each of these in different combinations with
each
other in different scenarios:
When nothing is selected When a continous list of things are selected When a non-continuous list of things are selected
So for instance, what happens when you click a list item, shift-click
an
item 5 below it, command-click an item two up from that one and then command-shift-click an item another 10 up from that?
If you can tell me definitively that a Command-click and command-shift-click do the exact same thing in all situations as a Control, then that will be an easy change. The key is predictability. What I'm going for here is the exact same behavior in RC as in ...
well
whatever you Mac users use for e-mail.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
This new select behavior is nice for contiguous selection but doesn't
really work on Macintosh. When you control-click you get the context menu (right click for Mac). Can you add the behavior so that the Command
key
will do the same on the Mac as Control?
: jamie
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly
by"
- Douglas Adams
Removing the context menu is definitely an unrelated change in app.js. Thanks for testing it for me. If nothing different is happening at all, I suspect that it's because the javascript code that recognizes the platform isn't working properly. There's not much more I can offer than what I already have without having a Mac to test on.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
I tried applying these changes and the command key still doesn't do anything. If I use ctrl-click I get the desired behavior but no context-menu (maybe that's just a change in the newer app.js I downloaded from cvs) except if I hold ctrl-shift-click the context menu flashes up for a second and disappears. I'll make sure I've updated the entire app from cvs later tonight and re-apply the patch and test.
: jamie
By doing just a little each day, I can gradually let the task overwhelm me.
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:54:02 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Can someone with a Mac test this patch and see if it works for IE and/or Mozilla, Safari, etc? Again what is being tested it the use of the Command key for selecting single non-continuous messages.
-Charles
Charles McNulty wrote:
Actually, looking at the code again, it might not be that hard to support IE for Mac. Can any Mac users confirm on this page: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events/keys.html that the keyCode for Command is 91?
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
The standard behavior is for
command-click to perform non-contiguous multiple select. shift-click performs contiguous multiple select command-shift-click appears to perform just like shift-click
At least that's how it works in the Finder, which I think should be the Mac reference for this type of behaviour.
I think that substituting command for control with the current
roundcube
behaviour would be fine though as it's really just "more"
functionality.
: jamie
"Much human ingenuity has gone into finding the ultimate Before. The current state of knowledge can be summarized thus: In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded"
- Terry Pratchett
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:21:20 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Is that the standard behavior for Macs? When I implemented the select/control-click behavior, I studied exactly what Outlook, Outlook Express and Thunderbird did in Windows (XP) and attempted to emulate that exact behavior. I don't have a Mac, but if someone could
describe
the exact behavior and key combinations with a Mac on a similar set of standard applications, I'd be happy to attempt to implement it.
Key combinations to test are:
Click Shift-Click Command-Click Command-Shift-Click
Situations to test are each of these in different combinations with
each
other in different scenarios:
When nothing is selected When a continous list of things are selected When a non-continuous list of things are selected
So for instance, what happens when you click a list item, shift-click
an
item 5 below it, command-click an item two up from that one and then command-shift-click an item another 10 up from that?
If you can tell me definitively that a Command-click and command-shift-click do the exact same thing in all situations as a Control, then that will be an easy change. The key is predictability. What I'm going for here is the exact same behavior in RC as in ...
well
whatever you Mac users use for e-mail.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
This new select behavior is nice for contiguous selection but doesn't
really work on Macintosh. When you control-click you get the context menu (right click for Mac). Can you add the behavior so that the Command
key
will do the same on the Mac as Control?
: jamie
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly
by"
- Douglas Adams
I'll try to look into this myself over the weekend. Your patch shows me where to look in the code so I'll see if I can make it work.
Thanks.
: jamie
Software is too important to be left to programmers.
- Meilir Page-Jones
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:11:38 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Removing the context menu is definitely an unrelated change in app.js. Thanks for testing it for me. If nothing different is happening at all, I suspect that it's because the javascript code that recognizes the platform isn't working properly. There's not much more I can offer than what I already have without having a Mac to test on.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
I tried applying these changes and the command key still doesn't do
anything. If I use ctrl-click I get the desired behavior but no context-menu (maybe that's just a change in the newer app.js I downloaded from cvs) except if I hold ctrl-shift-click the context menu flashes up for a second and disappears. I'll make sure I've updated the entire app from cvs later tonight and re-apply the patch and test.
: jamie
By doing just a little each day, I can gradually let the task overwhelm
me.
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:54:02 -0600, Charles McNulty
charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Can someone with a Mac test this patch and see if it works for IE
and/or
Mozilla, Safari, etc? Again what is being tested it the use of the Command key for selecting single non-continuous messages.
-Charles
Charles McNulty wrote:
Actually, looking at the code again, it might not be that hard to support IE for Mac. Can any Mac users confirm on this page: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events/keys.html that the keyCode for Command is 91?
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
The standard behavior is for
command-click to perform non-contiguous multiple select. shift-click performs contiguous multiple select command-shift-click appears to perform just like shift-click
At least that's how it works in the Finder, which I think should be the Mac reference for this type of behaviour.
I think that substituting command for control with the current
roundcube
behaviour would be fine though as it's really just "more"
functionality.
: jamie
"Much human ingenuity has gone into finding the ultimate Before. The current state of knowledge can be summarized thus: In the beginning, there
was
nothing, which exploded"
- Terry Pratchett
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:21:20 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Is that the standard behavior for Macs? When I implemented the select/control-click behavior, I studied exactly what Outlook,
Outlook
Express and Thunderbird did in Windows (XP) and attempted to emulate that exact behavior. I don't have a Mac, but if someone could
describe
the exact behavior and key combinations with a Mac on a similar set
of
standard applications, I'd be happy to attempt to implement it.
Key combinations to test are:
Click Shift-Click Command-Click Command-Shift-Click
Situations to test are each of these in different combinations with
each
other in different scenarios:
When nothing is selected When a continous list of things are selected When a non-continuous list of things are selected
So for instance, what happens when you click a list item,
shift-click
an
item 5 below it, command-click an item two up from that one and then command-shift-click an item another 10 up from that?
If you can tell me definitively that a Command-click and command-shift-click do the exact same thing in all situations as a Control, then that will be an easy change. The key is
predictability.
What I'm going for here is the exact same behavior in RC as in ...
well
whatever you Mac users use for e-mail.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote: > This new select behavior is nice for contiguous selection but
doesn't
really work on Macintosh. When you control-click you get the context menu (right click for Mac). Can you add the behavior so that the Command
key
will do the same on the Mac as Control? > : jamie > > -------- > "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly
by"
> - Douglas Adams > > > >
If I modify your patch to be hard coded metaKey like below (just for testing on my Mac) then command-click works correctly for me in Firefox and Safari, not IE. I couldn't get IE to work using either metaKey or keyCode == 91.
So I think you can use the metaKey for command, but I read online somewhere that on Windows it corresponds to the Windows key so you definitely may want some functioning platform detection for it. Maybe a preference? Although that may just be confusing pref bloat.
: jamie
I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
- George Carlin
Index: app.js
RCS file: /cvsroot/roundcubemail/roundcubemail/program/js/app.js,v retrieving revision 1.32 diff -r1.32 app.js 268d267 < if (e.stopPropagation) e.stopPropagation(); 296c295
< } else {return false};
} else {return true;}
2967a2967,2972
var keyControl = e.ctrlKey; //if (this.mac) { keyControl = e.metaKey; //}
2970c2975
< opcode += (e.ctrlKey && CONTROL_KEY) + (e.shiftKey && SHIFT_KEY);
opcode += (keyControl && CONTROL_KEY) + (e.shiftKey && SHIFT_KEY);
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:11:38 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Removing the context menu is definitely an unrelated change in app.js. Thanks for testing it for me. If nothing different is happening at all, I suspect that it's because the javascript code that recognizes the platform isn't working properly. There's not much more I can offer than what I already have without having a Mac to test on.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
I tried applying these changes and the command key still doesn't do
anything. If I use ctrl-click I get the desired behavior but no context-menu (maybe that's just a change in the newer app.js I downloaded from cvs) except if I hold ctrl-shift-click the context menu flashes up for a second and disappears. I'll make sure I've updated the entire app from cvs later tonight and re-apply the patch and test.
: jamie
By doing just a little each day, I can gradually let the task overwhelm
me.
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:54:02 -0600, Charles McNulty
charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Can someone with a Mac test this patch and see if it works for IE
and/or
Mozilla, Safari, etc? Again what is being tested it the use of the Command key for selecting single non-continuous messages.
-Charles
Charles McNulty wrote:
Actually, looking at the code again, it might not be that hard to support IE for Mac. Can any Mac users confirm on this page: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events/keys.html that the keyCode for Command is 91?
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote:
The standard behavior is for
command-click to perform non-contiguous multiple select. shift-click performs contiguous multiple select command-shift-click appears to perform just like shift-click
At least that's how it works in the Finder, which I think should be the Mac reference for this type of behaviour.
I think that substituting command for control with the current
roundcube
behaviour would be fine though as it's really just "more"
functionality.
: jamie
"Much human ingenuity has gone into finding the ultimate Before. The current state of knowledge can be summarized thus: In the beginning, there
was
nothing, which exploded"
- Terry Pratchett
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:21:20 -0600, Charles McNulty charles@charlesmcnulty.com wrote:
Is that the standard behavior for Macs? When I implemented the select/control-click behavior, I studied exactly what Outlook,
Outlook
Express and Thunderbird did in Windows (XP) and attempted to emulate that exact behavior. I don't have a Mac, but if someone could
describe
the exact behavior and key combinations with a Mac on a similar set
of
standard applications, I'd be happy to attempt to implement it.
Key combinations to test are:
Click Shift-Click Command-Click Command-Shift-Click
Situations to test are each of these in different combinations with
each
other in different scenarios:
When nothing is selected When a continous list of things are selected When a non-continuous list of things are selected
So for instance, what happens when you click a list item,
shift-click
an
item 5 below it, command-click an item two up from that one and then command-shift-click an item another 10 up from that?
If you can tell me definitively that a Command-click and command-shift-click do the exact same thing in all situations as a Control, then that will be an easy change. The key is
predictability.
What I'm going for here is the exact same behavior in RC as in ...
well
whatever you Mac users use for e-mail.
-Charles
Jamie Halmick wrote: > This new select behavior is nice for contiguous selection but
doesn't
really work on Macintosh. When you control-click you get the context menu (right click for Mac). Can you add the behavior so that the Command
key
will do the same on the Mac as Control? > : jamie > > -------- > "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly
by"
> - Douglas Adams > > > >
-
Charles McNulty -
Jamie Halmick