Hello, First > Sorry about my language, maybe I will make some mistakes in my e-mail.
I'm web developer and I've heard about your webmail project, I've seen the screens and I've loved in it. But the main problem is, in your localisation packs there isn't Macedonian. I like to help you and change the language in Macedonian. Can you help me? Just send me the name of the software, with I can change the language. Thanks
Kiril Dimeski Prilep WWW.SKORPION.ORG.MK WWW.TARATUR.COM WWW.FAUNA-SHOP.TK
Hello Kiril,
Take a look at the following directory: /program/localization/
It contains the structure for setting up additional translations.
I believe you could copy en_US to a directory called mk (I think this is the correct language code for Macedonian) and translate everything in labels.inc and messages.inc. Then edit /program/localization/index.inc and add an entry for your translation: 'mk' => 'Macedonian',
Then you can pick the language from your Personal Settings within the application.
If I've made any mistakes here, someone jump in and correct me.
Matt
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:22:37 -0200, "Kiril Dimeski" dkire@taratur.com wrote:
Hello, First > Sorry about my language, maybe I will make some mistakes in my e-mail.
I'm web developer and I've heard about your webmail project, I've seen the screens and I've loved in it. But the main problem is, in your localisation packs there isn't Macedonian. I like to help you and change the language in Macedonian. Can you help me? Just send me the name of the software, with I can change the language. Thanks
Kiril Dimeski Prilep WWW.SKORPION.ORG.MK WWW.TARATUR.COM WWW.FAUNA-SHOP.TK
Hello,
There is no country named Macedonia, the United Nations name of this country is FYROM.
It would be best if a developer corrected this mistake in the next SVN build. Additionally, there is no Macedonian language.
Since it would not be wise to enter a political discussion on this list, I would request everyone to respect the international organizations. This kind request is pointed especially to those whom their constitutional name is different to the U.N. name (although they have every right to name themselves as they wish inside their own country).
No flame intended, just pointing out a mistake in order to avoid misunderstandings.
Kind regards, Vassilis Stathopoulos Athens, Greece
Kiril Dimeski wrote:
Hello, First > Sorry about my language, maybe I will make some mistakes in my e-mail.
I'm web developer and I've heard about your webmail project, I've seen the screens and I've loved in it. But the main problem is, in your localisation packs there isn't Macedonian. I like to help you and change the language in Macedonian. Can you help me? Just send me the name of the software, with I can change the language. Thanks
Kiril Dimeski Prilep WWW.SKORPION.ORG.MK WWW.TARATUR.COM WWW.FAUNA-SHOP.TK
Vassilis Stathopoulos wrote:
I would request everyone to respect the international organizations. This kind request is pointed especially to those whom their constitutional name is different to the U.N. name (although they have every right to name themselves as they wish inside their own country).
I suppose the proposed language setting will mostly be used my people living in Macedonia, so the name should be what those people most recognize and appreciate.
~Mik
Hello Michael,
This is perfectly understood and a valid reason for you. I believe that, with the current licence of RoundCube, everyone is free to either fork or have their files hosted elsewhere for external download (ie not distributed within) for others to use and enjoy.
There is no need for your files to be included in the distributed version since it's specific only to the people living in a small part of the Balkans which is currently called Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia (FYROM) worldwide and uses the constitutional name of "Macedonia" internally. Following your idea, everyone would wish their modifications, stylesheets / PHP files / patches, to be part of the main RC distribution; this is just not possible, though.
If you wish for them to be included, I believe they should be in line with the international organizations' decisions, whatever these may be today or in the future, regardless if me or you or someone else likes and agrees to. I do not object for these files to be included - I would just want them to be included with the proper official naming.
Again, I do not wish to enter in a political discussion. I think this is an open issue and there are decisions we should all respect, now and in the future.
I must thank the dev-list members for their patience. I have nothing else to point out on the subject.
Kind regards, Vassilis
Michael Bueker wrote:
Vassilis Stathopoulos wrote:
I would request everyone to respect the international organizations. This kind request is pointed especially to those whom their constitutional name is different to the U.N. name (although they have every right to name themselves as they wish inside their own country).
I suppose the proposed language setting will mostly be used my people living in Macedonia, so the name should be what those people most recognize and appreciate.
~Mik
First of all, let me correct you on something you said in an earlier mail:
Vassilis Stathopoulos wrote:
Additionally, there is no Macedonian language.
Yes, there is. It is the official language of the [Former Yugoslavian] Republic of Macedonia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_language
If you wish for them to be included, I believe they should be in line with the international organizations' decisions, whatever these may be today or in the future, regardless if me or you or someone else likes and agrees to.
I don't have anything to do with the Balkans, but I believe if somebody offers a translation that will be useful not only to him but also to a significant group of people, then that translation should be included in the way that is most likely to that group - meaning, by the name they recognize and accept.
I've never heard about an agreement amoung the roundcube devs that language and/or nation designations should follow that of any organization.
Again, I do not wish to enter in a political discussion.
You obviously do, since you demanded the naming of an element of the roundcube code be made dependant on a political definition.
But again, the naming of language is up to the people that speak it. You may have noticed that in the Preferences, it says "Deutsch" instead of "German", and "Español" instead of "Spanish". I rest my case.
I must thank the dev-list members for their patience. I have nothing else to point out on the subject.
Good, then common sense may now prevail over political infighting.
~Mik
I believe this may be a non-issue.
What is the language called? If it's Macedonian regardless of the name of the country then we are ready to go. We don't necessarily care about the country unless there are multiple variations of the language such as US English vs GB English.
I do agree with your view that we should use whatever international standards are in place. People are more than welcome to make any changes locally if they don't agree with the international standards.
Matt
Vassilis Stathopoulos wrote:
Hello Michael,
This is perfectly understood and a valid reason for you. I believe that, with the current licence of RoundCube, everyone is free to either fork or have their files hosted elsewhere for external download (ie not distributed within) for others to use and enjoy.
There is no need for your files to be included in the distributed version since it's specific only to the people living in a small part of the Balkans which is currently called Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia (FYROM) worldwide and uses the constitutional name of "Macedonia" internally. Following your idea, everyone would wish their modifications, stylesheets / PHP files / patches, to be part of the main RC distribution; this is just not possible, though.
If you wish for them to be included, I believe they should be in line with the international organizations' decisions, whatever these may be today or in the future, regardless if me or you or someone else likes and agrees to. I do not object for these files to be included - I would just want them to be included with the proper official naming.
Again, I do not wish to enter in a political discussion. I think this is an open issue and there are decisions we should all respect, now and in the future.
I must thank the dev-list members for their patience. I have nothing else to point out on the subject.
Kind regards, Vassilis
Michael Bueker wrote:
Vassilis Stathopoulos wrote:
I would request everyone to respect the international organizations. This kind request is pointed especially to those whom their constitutional name is different to the U.N. name (although they have every right to name themselves as they wish inside their own country).
I suppose the proposed language setting will mostly be used my people living in Macedonia, so the name should be what those people most recognize and appreciate.
~Mik
Or maybe here's a better question... How do other OSS projects handle this situation? Maybe we can find some examples for our precedent.
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 05:26:43 -0600, Matt Kaatman roundcube-dev@matt.kaatman.com wrote:
I believe this may be a non-issue.
What is the language called? If it's Macedonian regardless of the name of the country then we are ready to go. We don't necessarily care about the country unless there are multiple variations of the language such as US English vs GB English.
I do agree with your view that we should use whatever international standards are in place. People are more than welcome to make any changes locally if they don't agree with the international standards.
Matt
Vassilis Stathopoulos wrote:
Hello Michael,
This is perfectly understood and a valid reason for you. I believe that, with the current licence of RoundCube, everyone is free to either fork or have their files hosted elsewhere for external download (ie not distributed within) for others to use and enjoy.
There is no need for your files to be included in the distributed version since it's specific only to the people living in a small part of the Balkans which is currently called Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia (FYROM) worldwide and uses the constitutional name of "Macedonia" internally. Following your idea, everyone would wish their modifications, stylesheets / PHP files / patches, to be part of the main RC distribution; this is just not possible, though.
If you wish for them to be included, I believe they should be in line with the international organizations' decisions, whatever these may be today or in the future, regardless if me or you or someone else likes and agrees to. I do not object for these files to be included - I would just want them to be included with the proper official naming.
Again, I do not wish to enter in a political discussion. I think this is an open issue and there are decisions we should all respect, now and in the future.
I must thank the dev-list members for their patience. I have nothing else to point out on the subject.
Kind regards, Vassilis
Michael Bueker wrote:
Vassilis Stathopoulos wrote:
I would request everyone to respect the international organizations. This kind request is pointed especially to those whom their constitutional name is different to the U.N. name (although they have every right to name themselves as they wish inside their own country).
I suppose the proposed language setting will mostly be used my people living in Macedonia, so the name should be what those people most recognize and appreciate.
~Mik
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:21:15 +0100, Michael Bueker m.bueker@berlin.de wrote:
First of all, let me correct you on something you said in an earlier mail:
Vassilis Stathopoulos wrote:
Additionally, there is no Macedonian language.
Yes, there is. It is the official language of the [Former Yugoslavian] Republic of Macedonia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_language
firefox-locale-mk - Macedonian language package for Firefox icedove-locale-mk - Macedonian language package for IceDove kde-i18n-mk - Macedonian (mk) internationalized (i18n) files for KDE language-env - simple configuration tool for native language environment mozilla-firefox-locale-mk-mk - Macedonian language package for Firefox (transitional package) openoffice.org-l10n-mk - Macedonian language package for OpenOffice.org
These are official language packages from debian, so I guess Michael is right here.
BTW, if firefox, openoffice and kde have macedonian translations, why shouldn't RC?
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