Hello all. I hope this is the appropriate place to bring this up. I am a RoundCube user, PHP developer, and one of the co-founders of the GoPHP5 effort.
By now you have probably heard about GoPHP5. (If not, please see http://GoPHP5.org/ for more about it.) I also recall reading recently that RoundCube was considering a move to PHP 5 already.
I suppose it shouldn't come as a surprise that I would be very happy if that were true. :-) In just the few short days that GoPHP5 has been "live", we've grown to over 20 projects and over 40 supporting web hosts. The PHP development team is also considering dropping support for PHP 4 next year.
Please consider this a formal invitation for RoundCube to join GoPHP5. If you have any questions, I'll still be on the list so just ask. :-)
Cheers.
Hey Larry,
On 7/9/07, Larry Garfield larry@garfieldtech.com wrote:
Hello all. I hope this is the appropriate place to bring this up. I am a RoundCube user, PHP developer, and one of the co-founders of the GoPHP5 effort.
By now you have probably heard about GoPHP5. (If not, please see http://GoPHP5.org/ for more about it.) I also recall reading recently that RoundCube was considering a move to PHP 5 already.
I suppose it shouldn't come as a surprise that I would be very happy if that were true. :-) In just the few short days that GoPHP5 has been "live", we've grown to over 20 projects and over 40 supporting web hosts. The PHP development team is also considering dropping support for PHP 4 next year.
Please consider this a formal invitation for RoundCube to join GoPHP5. If you have any questions, I'll still be on the list so just ask. :-)
Good you made it here. We've had our own personal discussion about PHP5 if you check the list archives (http://lists.roundcube.net) a while ago and personally I've followed the discussion on the mailinglists of SM, PEAR and Smarty - so IMHO this really is the way to go.
When Thomas gets to his email, I am sure he will comment also on if we'll commit to your deadline as well. For right now we decided to make the "devel-vnext" branch PHP5 only and I am in the middle of porting everything. But (of course) we have no date when it's due.
Cheers, Till
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:10:14 +0200, till klimpong@gmail.com wrote:
By now you have probably heard about GoPHP5. (If not, please see http://GoPHP5.org/ for more about it.) I also recall reading recently
that
RoundCube was considering a move to PHP 5 already.
I suppose it shouldn't come as a surprise that I would be very happy if
that
were true. :-) In just the few short days that GoPHP5 has been "live",
we've
grown to over 20 projects and over 40 supporting web hosts. The PHP development team is also considering dropping support for PHP 4 next
year.
Please consider this a formal invitation for RoundCube to join GoPHP5.
If you
have any questions, I'll still be on the list so just ask. :-)
Good you made it here. We've had our own personal discussion about PHP5 if you check the list archives (http://lists.roundcube.net) a while ago and personally I've followed the discussion on the mailinglists of SM, PEAR and Smarty - so IMHO this really is the way to go.
When Thomas gets to his email, I am sure he will comment also on if we'll commit to your deadline as well. For right now we decided to make the "devel-vnext" branch PHP5 only and I am in the middle of porting everything. But (of course) we have no date when it's due.
Cheers, Till
Of course. Standard open source procedure. :-) That's great to hear, though.
One of the objections I saw repeated a few times in the earlier thread reading through it just now was "there's no killer apps on PHP 5". I suppose that's subject to interpretation, as there's a fair number of quite good PHP 5 apps out there (killer or otherwise). The goal of GoPHP5, however, is to not wait for "the" killer app, but to make all of the involved projects together the "killer apps". If phpMyAdmin, Drupal, Symfony, Typo3, RoundCube, etc. all require PHP 5, there's your killer app suite right there.
How you go about making use of PHP 5 is up to each project. PHP 5.2 in particular adds the ability for PHP apps to give meaningful upload progress meters, for instance. That could be useful for adding attachments to messages. So there are front-end improvements that could be made, independent of the other developer benefits that PHP 5 offers.
If you're already targeting PHP 5 for the next branch, it sounds like RC is already moving along.
--Larry Garfield
On 7/9/07, Larry Garfield larry@garfieldtech.com wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:10:14 +0200, till klimpong@gmail.com wrote:
By now you have probably heard about GoPHP5. (If not, please see http://GoPHP5.org/ for more about it.) I also recall reading recently
that
RoundCube was considering a move to PHP 5 already.
I suppose it shouldn't come as a surprise that I would be very happy if
that
were true. :-) In just the few short days that GoPHP5 has been "live",
we've
grown to over 20 projects and over 40 supporting web hosts. The PHP development team is also considering dropping support for PHP 4 next
year.
Please consider this a formal invitation for RoundCube to join GoPHP5.
If you
have any questions, I'll still be on the list so just ask. :-)
Good you made it here. We've had our own personal discussion about PHP5 if you check the list archives (http://lists.roundcube.net) a while ago and personally I've followed the discussion on the mailinglists of SM, PEAR and Smarty - so IMHO this really is the way to go.
When Thomas gets to his email, I am sure he will comment also on if we'll commit to your deadline as well. For right now we decided to make the "devel-vnext" branch PHP5 only and I am in the middle of porting everything. But (of course) we have no date when it's due.
Cheers, Till
Of course. Standard open source procedure. :-) That's great to hear, though.
One of the objections I saw repeated a few times in the earlier thread reading through it just now was "there's no killer apps on PHP 5". I suppose that's subject to interpretation, as there's a fair number of quite good PHP 5 apps out there (killer or otherwise). The goal of GoPHP5, however, is to not wait for "the" killer app, but to make all of the involved projects together the "killer apps". If phpMyAdmin, Drupal, Symfony, Typo3, RoundCube, etc. all require PHP 5, there's your killer app suite right there.
Yeah, well. Personally a framework like Symfony (or Zend Framework in my case) is killer^H^H^H^reason enough to use PHP5. But I think most people who commented don't look at it from a developer perspective - rather system administrators. At least that was my impression.
How you go about making use of PHP 5 is up to each project. PHP 5.2 in particular adds the ability for PHP apps to give meaningful upload progress meters, for instance. That could be useful for adding attachments to messages. So there are front-end improvements that could be made, independent of the other developer benefits that PHP 5 offers.
That's actually a pretty good idea, I had a look at the code the other day and a progress meter wouldn't be so bad. Would you have a link I could follow?
If you're already targeting PHP 5 for the next branch, it sounds like RC is already moving along.
I hope! :-)
Cheers, Till
On Monday 09 July 2007, till wrote:
How you go about making use of PHP 5 is up to each project. PHP 5.2 in particular adds the ability for PHP apps to give meaningful upload progress meters, for instance. That could be useful for adding attachments to messages. So there are front-end improvements that could be made, independent of the other developer benefits that PHP 5 offers.
That's actually a pretty good idea, I had a look at the code the other day and a progress meter wouldn't be so bad. Would you have a link I could follow?
A little Googling turned up this: http://www.dinke.net/blog/2006/11/04/php-52-upload-progress-meter/en/
Looks like it does require APC and JSON, so it probably can't be a feature that has to work for the system to function, but it is still a very nice add-on for users who have APC enabled. (And if you're running a dedicated box, then you really should have APC on it.)
I have added an upload progress meter to several projects and they
have all been a royal pain (browser compatibility, customized look,
etc.)
I'm trying a new one I find using the Mootools Javascript framework.
Looks very promising:
http://digitarald.de/project/fancyupload/
And it would be backwards-compatible with PHP version prior to 5.2,
which many distros still have yet to incorporate.
On Jul 10, 2007, at 2:03 AM, Larry Garfield wrote:
On Monday 09 July 2007, till wrote:
How you go about making use of PHP 5 is up to each project. PHP
5.2 in particular adds the ability for PHP apps to give meaningful upload progress meters, for instance. That could be useful for adding attachments to messages. So there are front-end improvements
that could be made, independent of the other developer benefits that PHP 5
offers.That's actually a pretty good idea, I had a look at the code the
other day and a progress meter wouldn't be so bad. Would you have a link I could follow?A little Googling turned up this: http://www.dinke.net/blog/2006/11/04/php-52-upload-progress-meter/en/
Looks like it does require APC and JSON, so it probably can't be a
feature that has to work for the system to function, but it is still a very
nice add-on for users who have APC enabled. (And if you're running a
dedicated box, then you really should have APC on it.)-- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012
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