Here's a question. I like the idea of pop mail. My mail program downloads my mail from my mail server and that's it. The mail is deleted from my mail server.
With webmail, my mail server has all my mail forever, for easy reading at their leisure.
Now I realize that there is no longer any trust in this world, that the NSA has long since destroyed all that, betrayed us all, and that the internet is actually no more than a spy platform now rather than the glorious enabler of freedom that we, I anyway, foolishly thought it was ... that darpa played us all for fools. Still ...
What I do now is set my mail reading program to retrieve my mail from my mail provider, save what I want locally using my mail reading program, then use round cube to answer what I want to answer and move all the mail to the trash before exiting. I have to use round cube to answer my mail because my provider offers only imap and does not allow me to send imap mail except through its round cube. For all I know sdf.org is operated by th NSA. I asked, got no response.
So how do I know my mail is really being deleted at my mail provider's server. Google never ever deletes mail. The only one who loses access to deleted google mail is the person to whom it is addressed.
I assume the same is true of round cube mail? That my email provider retains copies of all my mail, and the only who loses access to it is myself when I delete it?
I also realize that my provider could simply copy all my pop3 mail on receipt ... but at least that is a overt dirty filthy trick. It seems to be a 'feature' of webmail?
Roundcube is most typically, but not always, run with Dovecot, unless you rewrite bits of it, it will delete when you tell it to
The only real answer to this is, run your own mail server locally.
If you need to have a backup mail server, get a cheap VPS in Germany and set up a secondary MX.
- Although Germany is rife with american spies, the German authorities
know who and where and make sure the yanks know that they know (remember the low buzzing of certain Embassy building and other U.S. Govt buildings by police choppers hahaha- loved that), and likely just as many Mi6 spies there too, Germany still has the strongest data protection laws in the world, and although the BND etc are not all clean hands, they are a darn sight cleaner than anywhere else in the world.
- Still cant work out why Merkel hasn't kicked those bastards out, hell,
there probably more CIA agents in places like Ramstien, than their are air genuine military folk, and I'd kick them out as well, no Govt should have military bases in other countries.
On 18/02/2015 07:56, jfmxl wrote:
Here's a question. I like the idea of pop mail. My mail program downloads my mail from my mail server and that's it. The mail is deleted from my mail server.
With webmail, my mail server has all my mail forever, for easy reading at their leisure.
Now I realize that there is no longer any trust in this world, that the NSA has long since destroyed all that, betrayed us all, and that the internet is actually no more than a spy platform now rather than the glorious enabler of freedom that we, I anyway, foolishly thought it was ... that darpa played us all for fools. Still ...
What I do now is set my mail reading program to retrieve my mail from my mail provider, save what I want locally using my mail reading program, then use round cube to answer what I want to answer and move all the mail to the trash before exiting. I have to use round cube to answer my mail because my provider offers only imap and does not allow me to send imap mail except through its round cube. For all I know sdf.org is operated by th NSA. I asked, got no response.
So how do I know my mail is really being deleted at my mail provider's server. Google never ever deletes mail. The only one who loses access to deleted google mail is the person to whom it is addressed.
I assume the same is true of round cube mail? That my email provider retains copies of all my mail, and the only who loses access to it is myself when I delete it?
I also realize that my provider could simply copy all my pop3 mail on receipt ... but at least that is a overt dirty filthy trick. It seems to be a 'feature' of webmail? _______________________________________________
Thanks for the advice. I tried to run my own mail server, tried dynamic dns, but my ISP won't allow it, apparently. Couldn't make a connection to an smtp port.
On 2015-02-18 06:05, Noel Butler wrote:
Roundcube is most typically, but not always, run with Dovecot, unless you rewrite bits of it, it will delete when you tell it to
The only real answer to this is, run your own mail server locally.
If you need to have a backup mail server, get a cheap VPS in Germany and set up a secondary MX.
- Although Germany is rife with american spies, the German authorities
know who and where and make sure the yanks know that they know (remember the low buzzing of certain Embassy building and other U.S. Govt buildings by police choppers hahaha- loved that), and likely just as many Mi6 spies there too, Germany still has the strongest data protection laws in the world, and although the BND etc are not all clean hands, they are a darn sight cleaner than anywhere else in the world.
- Still cant work out why Merkel hasn't kicked those bastards out,
hell, there probably more CIA agents in places like Ramstien, than their are air genuine military folk, and I'd kick them out as well, no Govt should have military bases in other countries.
On 18/02/2015 07:56, jfmxl wrote:
Here's a question. I like the idea of pop mail. My mail program downloads my mail from my mail server and that's it. The mail is deleted from my mail server.
With webmail, my mail server has all my mail forever, for easy reading at their leisure.
Now I realize that there is no longer any trust in this world, that the NSA has long since destroyed all that, betrayed us all, and that the internet is actually no more than a spy platform now rather than the glorious enabler of freedom that we, I anyway, foolishly thought it was ... that darpa played us all for fools. Still ...
What I do now is set my mail reading program to retrieve my mail from my mail provider, save what I want locally using my mail reading program, then use round cube to answer what I want to answer and move all the mail to the trash before exiting. I have to use round cube to answer my mail because my provider offers only imap and does not allow me to send imap mail except through its round cube. For all I know sdf.org is operated by th NSA. I asked, got no response.
So how do I know my mail is really being deleted at my mail provider's server. Google never ever deletes mail. The only one who loses access to deleted google mail is the person to whom it is addressed.
I assume the same is true of round cube mail? That my email provider retains copies of all my mail, and the only who loses access to it is myself when I delete it?
I also realize that my provider could simply copy all my pop3 mail on receipt ... but at least that is a overt dirty filthy trick. It seems to be a 'feature' of webmail? _______________________________________________
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Then get that unmanaged VPS, you will control it, although since it's not located locally there still exists a small risk, I use FileMedia for my personal offsite, reliable, and friendly service, you can then pop3 from it, keeping bulk of your mail local, and since you'd only need it for light storage, you could get away with the smallest plan, you wont need bells and whistles.
On 18/02/2015 10:17, jfmxl wrote:
Thanks for the advice. I tried to run my own mail server, tried dynamic dns, but my ISP won't allow it, apparently. Couldn't make a connection to an smtp port.
I'll look into it. Although I have little to no money and no means of paying for anything other than by international money order if I went for this. I had a vps with ... what turned out to be viaverio, after several rounds of merger ... for twenty years. But I never trusted them ... once it occurred to me to consider whether I did or not. Then I could no longer afford them, or pay them in any case, anyway.
Why should I trust FileMedia? If I could afford them. I'll try to look them up.
What I have now is a shell account and limited webserver, and mail as described, from this outfit, for a one-time fee of one dollar. I bought a buck and mailed it to him/them. I asked lots of questions, like are you the NSA? Got zero answers. I have to assume it's an NSA honeypot.
But so may FileMedia be. Well not a honeypot, but a 'cooperative' commercial provider as are Google and the rest. At least the NSA won't bother to sell me out to the TNCs ... the sell-out traffic is all in the other direction.
Maybe there's a way to run mail over i2p myself. I had a mail account there ... still based on trust ... but one day they just just me down. No notice, no nothing. They're a pretty arbitrary bunch of geek gatekeepers. And there's still the connection to the 'real' darpanet to negotiate.
Oh well, there is no such thing as privacy, certainly not security, any longer in this web worldwide. I might as well stick with what I have. With those bastards from the NSA looking over my shoulder. collecting everything I do on the web 'for future reference'. At least with the NSA I'm not commercially compromised. Not so with Google.
On 2015-02-18 07:59, Noel Butler wrote:
Then get that unmanaged VPS, you will control it, although since it's not located locally there still exists a small risk, I use FileMedia for my personal offsite, reliable, and friendly service, you can then pop3 from it, keeping bulk of your mail local, and since you'd only need it for light storage, you could get away with the smallest plan, you wont need bells and whistles.
On 18/02/2015 10:17, jfmxl wrote:
Thanks for the advice. I tried to run my own mail server, tried dynamic dns, but my ISP won't allow it, apparently. Couldn't make a connection to an smtp port.
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