Evening,
This has been mentioned on the list before, but I think it's time to make a stand and call for a new more intelligent HTML editor for in time the next release.
The constant stream of complaints for when replying and trying to quote inline is becoming most annoying for us and some others I've talked to on IRC, the inability to enter comments inline without converting to TEXT, or editing the HTML, without making it appear the original sender, said what you are saying, is a pure joke.
Try telling the average 80yo person how to edit the HTML insert this that save, click blockquote blah blah blah then type in your reply, this might be fine for those who know how and want to waste the time doing so,and reply to one or two message, but thats half a minute per message off someones life that doesnt need to be, amongst the heated anger they have for it being this way.
And for many reasons many users need HTML so can not convert to text in replies.
We never had to do this in squirelmail, we dont have to do it in gmail, hotmail, yahoo, etc etc etc
So I think its high time for a new editor, one that works!
or do we need to go back to squirellmail? At ;least we could hit enter and it would break up the quote lines the way they should.
On 09/26/2014 02:36 AM, Nick Edwards wrote:
or do we need to go back to squirellmail? At ;least we could hit enter and it would break up the quote lines the way they should.
I think this can be done smarter with TinyMCE plugin.
I'm not interested in working on a new editor. Feel free to do this.
In git-master most of HTML editor functionality is in one place, so you should have not many problems with creating a plugin that will replace "the default" editor. We'll provide more plugin API hooks if needed.
On 9/26/14, A.L.E.C alec@alec.pl wrote:
On 09/26/2014 02:36 AM, Nick Edwards wrote:
or do we need to go back to squirellmail? At ;least we could hit enter and it would break up the quote lines the way they should.
I think this can be done smarter with TinyMCE plugin.
I'm not interested in working on a new editor. Feel free to do this.
In git-master most of HTML editor functionality is in one place, so you should have not many problems with creating a plugin that will replace "the default" editor. We'll provide more plugin API hooks if needed.
so this list is not for admin users? this a developer list then by your assumption everyone here can code, please point me to the general users list where us non code mere mortal monkies can subscribe to, to make bug reports and sugestions without being told to go code it yourself
the editor RC supplies is fucked, so it should be replaced, or fixed. by RC.
watch your mouth
W dniu 26.09.2014 18:01, Nick Edwards napisał(a):
On 9/26/14, A.L.E.C alec@alec.pl wrote: On 09/26/2014 02:36 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: or do we need to go back to squirellmail? At ;least we could hit enter and it would break up the quote lines the way they should. I think this can be done smarter with TinyMCE plugin. I'm not interested in working on a new editor. Feel free to do this. In git-master most of HTML editor functionality is in one place, so you should have not many problems with creating a plugin that will replace "the default" editor. We'll provide more plugin API hooks if needed.
so this list is not for admin users? this a developer list then by your assumption everyone here can code, please point me to the general users list where us non code mere mortal monkies can subscribe to, to make bug reports and sugestions without being told to go code it yourself
the editor RC supplies is fucked, so it should be replaced, or fixed. by RC.
On 9/27/14, Nieścierowicz Adam adam.niescierowicz@justnet.pl wrote:
watch your mouth
mind your own business , you dont get to play netcopper either, I placed a valid bug report, if a developer wants to say go fix it yourself, it should be archived for all to see so they can make a decision if RC is for them, you are mist welcome to place a filter on me to not see my posts anytime you want
W dniu 26.09.2014 18:01, Nick Edwards napisał(a):
On 9/26/14, A.L.E.C alec@alec.pl wrote: On 09/26/2014 02:36 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: or do we need to go back to squirellmail? At ;least we could hit enter and it would break up the quote lines the way they should. I think this can be done smarter with TinyMCE plugin. I'm not interested in working on a new editor. Feel free to do this. In git-master most of HTML editor functionality is in one place, so you should have not many problems with creating a plugin that will replace "the default" editor. We'll provide more plugin API hooks if needed.
so this list is not for admin users? this a developer list then by your assumption everyone here can code, please point me to the general users list where us non code mere mortal monkies can subscribe to, to make bug reports and sugestions without being told to go code it yourself
the editor RC supplies is fucked, so it should be replaced, or fixed. by RC.
On 9/27/14, Nieścierowicz Adam adam.niescierowicz@justnet.pl wrote:
watch your mouth
mind your own business , you dont get to play netcopper either, I placed a valid bug report, if a developer wants to say go fix it yourself, it should be archived for all to see so they can make a decision if RC is for them, you are most welcome to place a filter on me to not see my posts anytime you want
W dniu 26.09.2014 18:01, Nick Edwards napisał(a):
On 9/26/14, A.L.E.C alec@alec.pl wrote: On 09/26/2014 02:36 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: or do we need to go back to squirellmail? At ;least we could hit enter and it would break up the quote lines the way they should. I think this can be done smarter with TinyMCE plugin. I'm not interested in working on a new editor. Feel free to do this. In git-master most of HTML editor functionality is in one place, so you should have not many problems with creating a plugin that will replace "the default" editor. We'll provide more plugin API hooks if needed.
so this list is not for admin users? this a developer list then by your assumption everyone here can code, please point me to the general users list where us non code mere mortal monkies can subscribe to, to make bug reports and sugestions without being told to go code it yourself
the editor RC supplies is fucked, so it should be replaced, or fixed. by RC.
So please everybody calm down again!
Truly, a go-fix-it-yourself response is not what you wanted to hear and I also understand your request is valid because based on real user complaints. Personally, I don't write HTML emails and therefore it doesn't bother me that much. And I didn't know Squirrelmail can do HTML either.
However, writing a rich text editor is a project on its own and way beyond our possibilities in terms of time and effort needed. But I'm sure there are some other working editors out there which would solve the problem and which are available under an open source license. We'd therefore appreciate your contribution in the form of hints or suggestions about possible replacements of the current TinyMCE editor. Even if this is a users list.
And maybe there's even a simple TinyMCE plugin which can detect <Enter> while in a blockquote element and then break the block level as your users apparently would expect.
Roundcube is free software and grows from the collaboration and contribution of people who care. Let's try to solve problems this way instead of shouting at each others, shall we?
Kind regards, Thomas
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Nick Edwards nick.z.edwards@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/27/14, Nieścierowicz Adam adam.niescierowicz@justnet.pl wrote:
watch your mouth
mind your own business , you dont get to play netcopper either, I placed a valid bug report, if a developer wants to say go fix it yourself, it should be archived for all to see so they can make a decision if RC is for them, you are most welcome to place a filter on me to not see my posts anytime you want
W dniu 26.09.2014 18:01, Nick Edwards napisał(a):
On 9/26/14, A.L.E.C alec@alec.pl wrote: On 09/26/2014 02:36 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: or do we need to go back to squirellmail? At ;least we could hit enter and it would break up the quote lines the way they should. I think this can be done smarter with TinyMCE plugin. I'm not interested in working on a new editor. Feel free to do this. In git-master most of HTML editor functionality is in one place, so you should have not many problems with creating a plugin that will replace "the default" editor. We'll provide more plugin API hooks if needed.
so this list is not for admin users? this a developer list then by your assumption everyone here can code, please point me to the general users list where us non code mere mortal monkies can subscribe to, to make bug reports and sugestions without being told to go code it yourself
the editor RC supplies is fucked, so it should be replaced, or fixed. by RC.
Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
I think CKeditor looks ok. And doing a quick test it does seem to jump out of blockquote after a double enter.
Cor
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Cor Bosman cor@xs4all.nl wrote:
I think CKeditor looks ok. And doing a quick test it does seem to jump out of blockquote after a double enter.
Thanks for the hint. And does CKeditor provide a similar feature set as TinyMCE? I guess downgrading the formatting abilities would cause another load of user support requests...
FWIW: I just created a ticket for this issue: http://trac.roundcube.net/ticket/1490083
~Thomas
On 27 Sep 2014, at 13:32, Thomas Bruederli thomas@roundcube.net wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Cor Bosman cor@xs4all.nl wrote:
I think CKeditor looks ok. And doing a quick test it does seem to jump out of blockquote after a double enter.
Thanks for the hint. And does CKeditor provide a similar feature set as TinyMCE? I guess downgrading the formatting abilities would cause another load of user support requests...
FWIW: I just created a ticket for this issue: http://trac.roundcube.net/ticket/1490083
Just a quick browse seems to suggest CKeditor is more advanced than TinyMCE. It even supports inline editing. Maybe cool for autoreply templates. It has hundreds of plugins, is themeable, etc.
Cor
On 09/26/2014 06:01 PM, Nick Edwards wrote:
I'm not interested in working on a new editor. Feel free to do this.
In git-master most of HTML editor functionality is in one place, so you should have not many problems with creating a plugin that will replace "the default" editor. We'll provide more plugin API hooks if needed.
so this list is not for admin users? this a developer list then by your assumption everyone here can code, please point me to the general users list where us non code mere mortal monkies can subscribe to, to make bug reports and sugestions without being told to go code it yourself
Did you read what I said? Did you tried to understand it? It looks that you had made some assumptions that are not true. I just stated my opinion. More, I tried to be helpful.
the editor RC supplies is fucked, so it should be replaced, or fixed. by RC.
Right, I'm going to work on this, immediately, because you said so ;) Come on. We are professionals. You stated your opinion, that's fine, but that is not how we work here.
Finally, you're not programmer but you want from others to work on your request, then you maybe should ask in a more polite manner. Otherwise you can get an opposite effect.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Cor Bosman cor@xs4all.nl wrote:
On 27 Sep 2014, at 13:32, Thomas Bruederli thomas@roundcube.net wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Cor Bosman cor@xs4all.nl wrote:
I think CKeditor looks ok. And doing a quick test it does seem to jump out of blockquote after a double enter.
Thanks for the hint. And does CKeditor provide a similar feature set as TinyMCE? I guess downgrading the formatting abilities would cause another load of user support requests...
FWIW: I just created a ticket for this issue: http://trac.roundcube.net/ticket/1490083
Just a quick browse seems to suggest CKeditor is more advanced than TinyMCE. It even supports inline editing. Maybe cool for autoreply templates. It has hundreds of plugins, is themeable, etc.
Indeed this looks like a valid replacement for TinyMCE. The only thing missing is the drag & drop / copy & paste inserting of images which are then saved as data: urls. This is currently the only way how to get images into signatures in Roundcube and kind of a show stopper. But maybe there's a plugin for that which I just didn't find.
Best, Thomas
Something written by the maintainers of GNU Bash and GNU Awk:
http://www.skeeve.com/fork-my-code.html [1]
"Go code it yourself, or use something else" is a perfectly reasonable argument, when you do not have a paid support contract.
On 27.09.2014 03:14, Nick Edwards wrote:
On 9/27/14, Nieścierowicz Adam adam.niescierowicz@justnet.pl wrote:
watch your mouth
mind your own business , you dont get to play netcopper either, I placed a valid bug report, if a developer wants to say go fix it yourself, it should be archived for all to see so they can make a decision if RC is for them, you are most welcome to place a filter on me to not see my posts anytime you want
Links:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Bruederli thomas@roundcube.net wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Cor Bosman cor@xs4all.nl wrote:
I think CKeditor looks ok. And doing a quick test it does seem to jump out of blockquote after a double enter.
Thanks for the hint. And does CKeditor provide a similar feature set as TinyMCE? I guess downgrading the formatting abilities would cause another load of user support requests...
FWIW: I just created a ticket for this issue: http://trac.roundcube.net/ticket/1490083
I just attached a patch with a possible modification of the TinyMCE behavior when pressing <Enter> inside a blockquote element. It pretty much copies the behavior of the CKeditor.
Please give it a try and give feedback.
Best, Thomas
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