Rather than installing just a wiki, would you consider a trac installation instance? It makes source management SO much easier (of course, it's SVN), but you have an awesome ticket manager, a wiki built in, and a really nice reporting feature where it tells you what all the latest commits were. I think this would be a really good allin one solution, if someone can install one.
All the big projects as of late have started switching to it:
http://trac.wordpress.org http://trac.cakephp.org
etc. It makes people want to report bugs, because it's so much more inviting than sourceforge's services, and it makes things easier on the developers as well because of the nice reporting features.
Check out the timeline view for example: http://trac.wordpress.org/timeline
So yeah, it'd be awesome if roundcube had one of these :-)
On 10/8/05, B. Johannessen bob@db.org wrote:
Geoffrey McCaleb wrote:
- List Archive
A suggestion I put forward to Bob was, why not put up a simple bulletin board (like phpbb)? As the Roundcube community grows I really think it would be helpful to have a central place for users to get help and ask questions, keeping the more development oriented threads to the lists.
You say you sent me a suggestion? As far as I can tell, I haven't received any e-mail from you, and none have been rejected by my spam filters. Care to resend?
I'm working on the mailing list archive right now, and *hope* to have it up and running this weekend, but I'm not making any promises. I'll of course make sure *all* past messages are included in the archive.
When it comes to a bulletin board, I'm not really a big fan, and I don't think I care much to have to administrate something with a security track-record such as phpBB. On the other hand, when I talked to Thomas about setting up the mailing lists, we agreed to start of with just the dev and announce lists, but later add a users list to handle all the questions that has nothing to do with development. As to when this should be done, my thinking is once we consistently see more questions on administration then development/feature requests on the dev list *and* the the dev list volume hits ~200 messages per week. I'm open to suggestions though.
What I will do, if there's any interest and a few people step up to help keep an eye on things, is set up a wiki. (In case someone has been living under pile of rocks for the last few years, and doesn't know what a wiki is, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki). I find Wikis a great way to work on collaborative documentation, but unfortunately we need a few editors to keep link spammers and vandals out. So, if I get at least two volunteers, I'll get started on the wiki as soon as I'm done with the mailing list archive.
I'll finish off with a few list stats for those interested:
Number of subscribers on dev list: 83
Number of subscribers on announce list: 45
Bob (List-mom)
Praneet Kandula wrote:
Rather than installing just a wiki, would you consider a trac installation instance? It makes source management SO much easier (of course, it's SVN), but you have an awesome ticket manager, a wiki built in, and a really nice reporting feature where it tells you what all the latest commits were. I think this would be a really good allin one solution, if someone can install one.
Trac (which is described at http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/ by the way) looks really interesting, but as I understand it, it's not really useful unless the source in managed by an accompanying Subversion repository. That would be a fairly major change for, and a decision that must me made by, the current developers.
If this is something the they would like, I'd be more then happy to host the Subversion and Trac installation, and could probably find the time to set it all up next weekend.
Thomas; is this something you may consider? What about the other developers?
Bob
Just another point. I would be fully willing to help run trac as a bug gardner (confirming bugs, filing them, categorizing them), as it makes it so much easier than the current sourceforge interface. Also, I'd be willing to pitch in with the docs effort on the wiki.
On 10/8/05, B. Johannessen bob@db.org wrote:
Praneet Kandula wrote:
Rather than installing just a wiki, would you consider a trac installation instance? It makes source management SO much easier (of course, it's SVN), but you have an awesome ticket manager, a wiki built in, and a really nice reporting feature where it tells you what all the latest commits were. I think this would be a really good allin one solution, if someone can install one.
Trac (which is described at http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/ by the way) looks really interesting, but as I understand it, it's not really useful unless the source in managed by an accompanying Subversion repository. That would be a fairly major change for, and a decision that must me made by, the current developers.
If this is something the they would like, I'd be more then happy to host the Subversion and Trac installation, and could probably find the time to set it all up next weekend.
Thomas; is this something you may consider? What about the other
developers?
Bob
Bob, Praneet,
I did not have a deep look into Trac yet but it looks good. I started with the sourceforge utilities because they were already there and ready to use. But I'm having my own problems with the bugtracker. Since I'm new to CVS any help would be appreciated to move the files to Subversion but I would agree with it.
It's probably a bit early to set up a Wiki for documentation but if we have some people ready taking care of that it would be cool to have one.
You know, I'm very surprised how this project grew in the last couple of weeks and I'm happy to have other people beside to manage things. It was started out of my personal needs and without a clear target. But now, I can see how important those tools for collaboration and communication are!
To use Trac would also mean to move the website hosting (we'd like a clean integration into the website). Bob, if you are willing to host the whole thing and if you have the right environment (Phyton, PostgreSQL) available, I would suggest to try it out. I see that there are scripts available to import existing tracking data from Bugzilla or Sourceforge. If we also can import the mailing list archive it would be perfect...
Just tell me, what I need to do!
Thomas
2005/10/8, B. Johannessen bob@db.org:
Praneet Kandula wrote:
Rather than installing just a wiki, would you consider a trac installation instance? It makes source management SO much easier (of course, it's SVN), but you have an awesome ticket manager, a wiki built in, and a really nice reporting feature where it tells you what all the latest commits were. I think this would be a really good allin one solution, if someone can install one.
Trac (which is described at http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/ by the way) looks really interesting, but as I understand it, it's not really useful unless the source in managed by an accompanying Subversion repository. That would be a fairly major change for, and a decision that must me made by, the current developers.
If this is something the they would like, I'd be more then happy to host the Subversion and Trac installation, and could probably find the time to set it all up next weekend.
Thomas; is this something you may consider? What about the other developers?
Bob
Greetings,
I would be more than happy to host if Bob can't. I have gobs of unused bandwidth that I've been itching to put to good use. But, I don't have Postgres installed (I run MySQL)...
It's there for the taking if needed...
Uggh... is anyone else having the problem where the message window extends below the bottom toolbar? I was reminded of it as I was typing this email.
Dave
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:58:25 +0200, Thomas Bruederli roundcube@gmail.com wrote:
Bob, Praneet,
I did not have a deep look into Trac yet but it looks good. I started with the sourceforge utilities because they were already there and ready to use. But I'm having my own problems with the bugtracker. Since I'm new to CVS any help would be appreciated to move the files to Subversion but I would agree with it.
It's probably a bit early to set up a Wiki for documentation but if we have some people ready taking care of that it would be cool to have one.
You know, I'm very surprised how this project grew in the last couple of weeks and I'm happy to have other people beside to manage things. It was started out of my personal needs and without a clear target. But now, I can see how important those tools for collaboration and communication are!
To use Trac would also mean to move the website hosting (we'd like a clean integration into the website). Bob, if you are willing to host the whole thing and if you have the right environment (Phyton, PostgreSQL) available, I would suggest to try it out. I see that there are scripts available to import existing tracking data from Bugzilla or Sourceforge. If we also can import the mailing list archive it would be perfect...
Just tell me, what I need to do!
Thomas
2005/10/8, B. Johannessen bob@db.org:
Praneet Kandula wrote:
Rather than installing just a wiki, would you consider a trac installation instance? It makes source management SO much easier (of course, it's SVN), but you have an awesome ticket manager, a wiki built in, and a really nice reporting feature where it tells you what all the latest commits were. I think this would be a really good allin one solution, if someone can install one.
Trac (which is described at http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/ by the way) looks really interesting, but as I understand it, it's not really useful unless the source in managed by an accompanying Subversion repository. That would be a fairly major change for, and a decision that must me made by, the current developers.
If this is something the they would like, I'd be more then happy to host the Subversion and Trac installation, and could probably find the time to set it all up next weekend.
Thomas; is this something you may consider? What about the other
developers?
Bob
Thomas Bruederli wrote:
It's probably a bit early to set up a Wiki for documentation but if we have some people ready taking care of that it would be cool to have one.
One thing I've learned about wikis is that it's never to soon. Initially there's not much point in working to hard at organizing it. Just use it as someplace to dump any and all relevant information; someone will surely organize it later on.
To use Trac would also mean to move the website hosting (we'd like a clean integration into the website). Bob, if you are willing to host the whole thing and if you have the right environment (Phyton, PostgreSQL) available, I would suggest to try it out. I see that there are scripts available to import existing tracking data from Bugzilla or Sourceforge. If we also can import the mailing list archive it would be perfect...
Just tell me, what I need to do!
If you could just create a tar file of the current web site, and add an A record for beta.roundcube.net pointing to 195.159.29.201. That way I can set up a mirror site at http://beta.roundcube.net/, and once we're happy with that, you can move the www record as well.
I may also need more privileges to the project in SourceForge CVS. My SourceForge username is bob-johannessen.
I'll try to get started on this tonight(*) or tomorrow afternoon (I'll put the mailing list archives on temporary hold, and integrate them into the web site as well).
Bob
*) I'm in the CET timezone, currently at UTC+2
2005/10/10, B. Johannessen bob@db.org:
Thomas Bruederli wrote:
It's probably a bit early to set up a Wiki for documentation but if we have some people ready taking care of that it would be cool to have one.
One thing I've learned about wikis is that it's never to soon. Initially there's not much point in working to hard at organizing it. Just use it as someplace to dump any and all relevant information; someone will surely organize it later on.
To use Trac would also mean to move the website hosting (we'd like a clean integration into the website). Bob, if you are willing to host the whole thing and if you have the right environment (Phyton, PostgreSQL) available, I would suggest to try it out. I see that there are scripts available to import existing tracking data from Bugzilla or Sourceforge. If we also can import the mailing list archive it would be perfect...
Just tell me, what I need to do!
If you could just create a tar file of the current web site, and add an A record for beta.roundcube.net pointing to 195.159.29.201. That way I can set up a mirror site at http://beta.roundcube.net/, and once we're happy with that, you can move the www record as well.
DNS entry is available, the website contents can be downloaded at http://roundcube.net/roundcube_www.tar.gz It's just a simple PHP page which includes the RSS feed from sourceforge to build the news section.
I may also need more privileges to the project in SourceForge CVS. My SourceForge username is bob-johannessen.
Done. Hope you have the right permissions now.
I'll try to get started on this tonight(*) or tomorrow afternoon (I'll put the mailing list archives on temporary hold, and integrate them into the web site as well).
Bob*) I'm in the CET timezone, currently at UTC+2
Thanks a lot! Thomas
Greetings,
If we're planning on moving off of Sourceforge, I would be more than happy to be a mirror, or provide any other service deemed necessary. Like I said, I have some disgusting amounts of bandwidth to use.
Dave
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:44:02 +0200, Thomas Bruederli roundcube@gmail.com wrote:
2005/10/10, B. Johannessen bob@db.org:
Thomas Bruederli wrote:
It's probably a bit early to set up a Wiki for documentation but if we have some people ready taking care of that it would be cool to have one.
One thing I've learned about wikis is that it's never to soon. Initially there's not much point in working to hard at organizing it. Just use it as someplace to dump any and all relevant information; someone will surely organize it later on.
To use Trac would also mean to move the website hosting (we'd like a clean integration into the website). Bob, if you are willing to host the whole thing and if you have the right environment (Phyton, PostgreSQL) available, I would suggest to try it out. I see that there are scripts available to import existing tracking data from Bugzilla or Sourceforge. If we also can import the mailing list archive it would be perfect...
Just tell me, what I need to do!
If you could just create a tar file of the current web site, and add an A record for beta.roundcube.net pointing to 195.159.29.201. That way I can set up a mirror site at http://beta.roundcube.net/, and once we're happy with that, you can move the www record as well.
DNS entry is available, the website contents can be downloaded at http://roundcube.net/roundcube_www.tar.gz It's just a simple PHP page which includes the RSS feed from sourceforge to build the news section.
I may also need more privileges to the project in SourceForge CVS. My SourceForge username is bob-johannessen.
Done. Hope you have the right permissions now.
I'll try to get started on this tonight(*) or tomorrow afternoon (I'll put the mailing list archives on temporary hold, and integrate them into the web site as well).
Bob*) I'm in the CET timezone, currently at UTC+2
Thanks a lot! Thomas
Sadly I only have mild amounts of bandwidth to throw around, but a good dose of storage so I'd be happy to provide a mirror as well.
Geoffrey
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 9:53:47 -0400, David A. Davenport dave@firebin.net wrote:
Greetings,
If we're planning on moving off of Sourceforge, I would be more than happy to be a mirror, or provide any other service deemed necessary. Like I said, I have some disgusting amounts of bandwidth to use.
Dave
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:44:02 +0200, Thomas Bruederli roundcube@gmail.com wrote:
2005/10/10, B. Johannessen bob@db.org:
Thomas Bruederli wrote:
It's probably a bit early to set up a Wiki for documentation but if
we
have some people ready taking care of that it would be cool to have one.
One thing I've learned about wikis is that it's never to soon.
Initially
there's not much point in working to hard at organizing it. Just use it as someplace to dump any and all relevant information; someone will surely organize it later on.
To use Trac would also mean to move the website hosting (we'd like a clean integration into the website). Bob, if you are willing to host the whole thing and if you have the right environment (Phyton, PostgreSQL) available, I would suggest to try it out. I see that
there
are scripts available to import existing tracking data from Bugzilla or Sourceforge. If we also can import the mailing list archive it would be perfect...
Just tell me, what I need to do!
If you could just create a tar file of the current web site, and add an A record for beta.roundcube.net pointing to 195.159.29.201. That way I can set up a mirror site at http://beta.roundcube.net/, and once we're happy with that, you can move the www record as well.
DNS entry is available, the website contents can be downloaded at http://roundcube.net/roundcube_www.tar.gz It's just a simple PHP page which includes the RSS feed from sourceforge to build the news section.
I may also need more privileges to the project in SourceForge CVS. My SourceForge username is bob-johannessen.
Done. Hope you have the right permissions now.
I'll try to get started on this tonight(*) or tomorrow afternoon (I'll put the mailing list archives on temporary hold, and integrate them
into
the web site as well).
Bob*) I'm in the CET timezone, currently at UTC+2
Thanks a lot! Thomas
Hello,
I can offer mirror for downloads and/or the whole website mirror in Slovakia on my own personal server. If interested please contact me on email: orpheus@grass.sk
Best regards,
Pavol
On Monday 10 October 2005 15:53, David A.Davenport wrote:
Greetings,
If we're planning on moving off of Sourceforge, I would be more than happy to be a mirror, or provide any other service deemed necessary. Like I said, I have some disgusting amounts of bandwidth to use.
Dave
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:44:02 +0200, Thomas Bruederli roundcube@gmail.com
wrote:
2005/10/10, B. Johannessen bob@db.org:
Thomas Bruederli wrote:
It's probably a bit early to set up a Wiki for documentation but if we have some people ready taking care of that it would be cool to have one.
One thing I've learned about wikis is that it's never to soon. Initially there's not much point in working to hard at organizing it. Just use it as someplace to dump any and all relevant information; someone will surely organize it later on.
To use Trac would also mean to move the website hosting (we'd like a clean integration into the website). Bob, if you are willing to host the whole thing and if you have the right environment (Phyton, PostgreSQL) available, I would suggest to try it out. I see that there are scripts available to import existing tracking data from Bugzilla or Sourceforge. If we also can import the mailing list archive it would be perfect...
Just tell me, what I need to do!
If you could just create a tar file of the current web site, and add an A record for beta.roundcube.net pointing to 195.159.29.201. That way I can set up a mirror site at http://beta.roundcube.net/, and once we're happy with that, you can move the www record as well.
DNS entry is available, the website contents can be downloaded at http://roundcube.net/roundcube_www.tar.gz It's just a simple PHP page which includes the RSS feed from sourceforge to build the news section.
I may also need more privileges to the project in SourceForge CVS. My SourceForge username is bob-johannessen.
Done. Hope you have the right permissions now.
I'll try to get started on this tonight(*) or tomorrow afternoon (I'll put the mailing list archives on temporary hold, and integrate them into the web site as well).
Bob*) I'm in the CET timezone, currently at UTC+2
Thanks a lot! Thomas
Nice! So now we have mirrors in Norway, Slovakia, and the USA!
Dave
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:05:32 +0200, Pavol Cvengros pavol.cvengros@primeinteractive.net wrote:
Hello,
I can offer mirror for downloads and/or the whole website mirror in Slovakia on my own personal server. If interested please contact me on email: orpheus@grass.sk
Best regards,
Pavol
On Monday 10 October 2005 15:53, David A.Davenport wrote:
Greetings,
If we're planning on moving off of Sourceforge, I would be more than
happy
to be a mirror, or provide any other service deemed necessary. Like I said, I have some disgusting amounts of bandwidth to use.
Dave
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:44:02 +0200, Thomas Bruederli
roundcube@gmail.com wrote:
2005/10/10, B. Johannessen bob@db.org:
Thomas Bruederli wrote:
It's probably a bit early to set up a Wiki for documentation but if
we
have some people ready taking care of that it would be cool to have one.
One thing I've learned about wikis is that it's never to soon.
Initially
there's not much point in working to hard at organizing it. Just use
it
as someplace to dump any and all relevant information; someone will surely organize it later on.
To use Trac would also mean to move the website hosting (we'd like
a
clean integration into the website). Bob, if you are willing to
host
the whole thing and if you have the right environment (Phyton, PostgreSQL) available, I would suggest to try it out. I see that
there
are scripts available to import existing tracking data from
Bugzilla
or Sourceforge. If we also can import the mailing list archive it would be perfect...
Just tell me, what I need to do!
If you could just create a tar file of the current web site, and add
an
A record for beta.roundcube.net pointing to 195.159.29.201. That way
I
can set up a mirror site at http://beta.roundcube.net/, and once
we're
happy with that, you can move the www record as well.
DNS entry is available, the website contents can be downloaded at http://roundcube.net/roundcube_www.tar.gz It's just a simple PHP page which includes the RSS feed from sourceforge to build the news section.
I may also need more privileges to the project in SourceForge CVS. My SourceForge username is bob-johannessen.
Done. Hope you have the right permissions now.
I'll try to get started on this tonight(*) or tomorrow afternoon
(I'll
put the mailing list archives on temporary hold, and integrate them
into
the web site as well).
Bob*) I'm in the CET timezone, currently at UTC+2
Thanks a lot! Thomas
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I can also offer bandwidth and space for mirroring, etc. I can devote about 80-100GB traffic a month exclusively to RoundCube purposes if needed. Server located in the Midwestern US (UTC-6).
Additionally, I am volunteering myself for documentation writing and wiki editing.
Regards,
Jon
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 9:53:47 -0400, David A. Davenport dave@firebin.net wrote:
Greetings,
If we're planning on moving off of Sourceforge, I would be more than happy to be a mirror, or provide any other service deemed necessary. Like I said, I have some disgusting amounts of bandwidth to use.
Dave
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:44:02 +0200, Thomas Bruederli roundcube@gmail.com wrote:
2005/10/10, B. Johannessen bob@db.org:
Thomas Bruederli wrote:
It's probably a bit early to set up a Wiki for documentation but if
we
have some people ready taking care of that it would be cool to have one.
One thing I've learned about wikis is that it's never to soon.
Initially
there's not much point in working to hard at organizing it. Just use it as someplace to dump any and all relevant information; someone will surely organize it later on.
To use Trac would also mean to move the website hosting (we'd like a clean integration into the website). Bob, if you are willing to host the whole thing and if you have the right environment (Phyton, PostgreSQL) available, I would suggest to try it out. I see that
there
are scripts available to import existing tracking data from Bugzilla or Sourceforge. If we also can import the mailing list archive it would be perfect...
Just tell me, what I need to do!
If you could just create a tar file of the current web site, and add an A record for beta.roundcube.net pointing to 195.159.29.201. That way I can set up a mirror site at http://beta.roundcube.net/, and once we're happy with that, you can move the www record as well.
DNS entry is available, the website contents can be downloaded at http://roundcube.net/roundcube_www.tar.gz It's just a simple PHP page which includes the RSS feed from sourceforge to build the news section.
I may also need more privileges to the project in SourceForge CVS. My SourceForge username is bob-johannessen.
Done. Hope you have the right permissions now.
I'll try to get started on this tonight(*) or tomorrow afternoon (I'll put the mailing list archives on temporary hold, and integrate them
into
the web site as well).
Bob*) I'm in the CET timezone, currently at UTC+2
Thanks a lot! Thomas
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