Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an open-source project.
I've setup forums for RoundCube at my website. I am *more* than willing to let these be permanent for the project.
Link to the forums is here:
http://forums.thetechgurus.net/index.php?c=5
There are 3 forums as of now: Discussion, Coding, and Bugs.
I would like the developers of this project to contact me also so that we can further discuss intergrating the forums into the main project webpage.
-Geuis Teses
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 05:58:56PM GMT, Geuis Teses [geuis.teses@gmail.com] said the following:
Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an open-source project.
Says you. That must be why so many successful open source projects use them for their development team.
Wouldn't a bug tracker such as Mantis (http://www.mantisbt.org/) be a more effective way to track bugs? While at it, using a version control system such as Subversion (http://subversion.tigris.org/) would be more effective way to resolve such bugs and maintain the application.
ScriptHead
On 10/13/05, Mark Krenz mark@suso.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 05:58:56PM GMT, Geuis Teses [geuis.teses@gmail.com] said the following:
Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an open-source project.
Says you. That must be why so many successful open source projects use them for their development team.
-- Mark S. Krenz IT Director Suso Technology Services, Inc. http://suso.org/
Hmm.. you might wanna check the mailing list archive before doing that. Actually, I'm not sure if there is a mailing list archive, and in that case, I can understand your actions.
Point is, there has been extensive discussion on how to handle project communication, so I highly doubt that those involved are just going to start using your forums 'just like that'.
But this seems to be a very friendly list (been monitoring since it started), so I'm sure any input you give will be appreciated.
Jeff
Geuis Teses wrote:
Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an open-source project.
I've setup forums for RoundCube at my website. I am *more* than willing to let these be permanent for the project.
Link to the forums is here:
http://forums.thetechgurus.net/index.php?c=5
There are 3 forums as of now: Discussion, Coding, and Bugs.
I would like the developers of this project to contact me also so that we can further discuss intergrating the forums into the main project webpage.
-Geuis Teses
On 10/13/05, Jeff Nichols jeff@netnichols.com wrote:
Hmm.. you might wanna check the mailing list archive before doing that. Actually, I'm not sure if there is a mailing list archive, and in that case, I can understand your actions.
Point is, there has been extensive discussion on how to handle project communication, so I highly doubt that those involved are just going to start using your forums 'just like that'.
Is it possible to setup or access archives for the list? or has all that old knowledge been lost in the ether?
-j
Cool! I highly prefer a communication via forum. Keeping track of postings is easier that way. ----- Original Message -----From: "Geuis Teses" geuis.teses@gmail.comTo: dev@lists.roundcube.netSent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 08:07 PMSubject: New forums for RoundCube Webmail>> Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an>> open-source project.>> >> I've setup forums for RoundCube at my website. I am *more* than willing to>> let these be permanent for the project.>> >> Link to the forums is here:>> >> http://forums.thetechgurus.net/index.php?c=5%3E%3E >> There are 3 forums as of now: Discussion, Coding, and Bugs.>> >> I would like the developers of this project to contact me also so that we>> can further discuss intergrating the forums into the main project webpage.>> >> -Geuis Teses
Sure it would. A bug tracker has its purpose and is also good for discussing specific issues. But a development mailing list (or forum if thats what people want) is good for development discussion, questions about development, etc. I was just responding to Geuis' specific comment about mailing lists not being a good medium for development discussion.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 06:23:49PM GMT, Script Head [scripthead@gmail.com] said the following:
Wouldn't a bug tracker such as Mantis (http://www.mantisbt.org/) be a more effective way to track bugs? While at it, using a version control system such as Subversion (http://subversion.tigris.org/) would be more effective way to resolve such bugs and maintain the application.
ScriptHead
On 10/13/05, Mark Krenz mark@suso.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 05:58:56PM GMT, Geuis Teses [geuis.teses@gmail.com] said the following:
Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an open-source project.
Says you. That must be why so many successful open source projects use them for their development team.
-- Mark S. Krenz IT Director Suso Technology Services, Inc. http://suso.org/
I apologize if I came out too strong here. I've been looking for a good webmail client for our company for the last two months. We've been suffering through a webhost installed and preconfigured Horde installation that's been doing its best to keep our agents very unhappy.
When I encountered roundcube a couple of days ago, I knew immediately this was the client I wanted to switch our company too. (Which I've done now that I've had a couple days to test it.)
I wanted to setup forums to help this community of developers since there were none in place already(and I know from experience with my own sourceforge project some of the limitations to running a forum installation apart from the built-in one from sourceforge can be). This was particulary motivated by my inability to find any link to discussion list archives.
There is obviously an established development community here as is. I only wish to participate and add to it.
I will still leave the new forums up. Its up to all of you to decide if you want to use them or not. Just take this as what it is. A contribution to this community.
-Geuis
On 10/13/05, Mark Krenz mark@suso.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 05:58:56PM GMT, Geuis Teses [geuis.teses@gmail.com] said the following:
Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an open-source project.
Says you. That must be why so many successful open source projects use them for their development team.
-- Mark S. Krenz IT Director Suso Technology Services, Inc. http://suso.org/
Geuis Teses wrote:
Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an open-source project.
Hello Geuis,
The roundcube mailinglist is efficient at the moment for exchanging ideas, testing patches etc. Developers don't want to check a forum every 5 minutes to see if a new reply has been posted, THAT is inefficient :)
Mailinglist are common for open-source projects to coordinate development etc.
There are various means to communicate with eachother. Once Bob/Thomas open the Trac setup we can use the Wiki as well which should work better than topics of a forum.
There is also a Roundcube IRC-channel at Freenode network, it's called #roundcube. Freenode hosts quite a lot of (official) developers IRC-channels like #debian, #phpbb, #drupal-support, wordpress, #svn, #trac etc.
I've setup forums for RoundCube at my website. I am *more* than willing to let these be permanent for the project.
*chop* Thank you for your help and I know you're not the only one who would like to help the RoundCube project. But I doubt if there is a need for a forum, given the other replies to your mail..
Regards,
Jasper
As Geuis pointed out, there is no link to an archive. What would be really nice is if previous mailing list messages could be imported into the forum, assuming they still exist somewhere...
Jon
Hmm.. you might wanna check the mailing list archive before doing that. Actually, I'm not sure if there is a mailing list archive, and in that case, I can understand your actions.
Point is, there has been extensive discussion on how to handle project communication, so I highly doubt that those involved are just going to start using your forums 'just like that'.
But this seems to be a very friendly list (been monitoring since it started), so I'm sure any input you give will be appreciated.
Jeff
Geuis Teses wrote:
Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an open-source project.
I've setup forums for RoundCube at my website. I am *more* than willing to let these be permanent for the project.
Link to the forums is here:
http://forums.thetechgurus.net/index.php?c=5
There are 3 forums as of now: Discussion, Coding, and Bugs.
I would like the developers of this project to contact me also so that we can further discuss intergrating the forums into the main project webpage.
-Geuis Teses
I think making the archive available so that search engines can reach it would be useful.
A search on Google for "roundcube javascript error" should find matches in such an archive and allow people to resolve their problems quickly.
On 10/13/05, Jon Riddle list@jdrnetworking.com wrote:
As Geuis pointed out, there is no link to an archive. What would be really nice is if previous mailing list messages could be imported into the forum, assuming they still exist somewhere...
Jon
Hmm.. you might wanna check the mailing list archive before doing that. Actually, I'm not sure if there is a mailing list archive, and in that case, I can understand your actions.
Point is, there has been extensive discussion on how to handle project communication, so I highly doubt that those involved are just going to start using your forums 'just like that'.
But this seems to be a very friendly list (been monitoring since it started), so I'm sure any input you give will be appreciated.
Jeff
Geuis Teses wrote:
Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an open-source project.
I've setup forums for RoundCube at my website. I am *more* than willing to let these be permanent for the project.
Link to the forums is here:
http://forums.thetechgurus.net/index.php?c=5
There are 3 forums as of now: Discussion, Coding, and Bugs.
I would like the developers of this project to contact me also so that we can further discuss intergrating the forums into the main project webpage.
-Geuis Teses
-- Brennan Stehling : http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/
A quick Suggestion: I think that gossamer-threads.com/lists has the best mailing list archives out there, but I'm not sure what is involved in setting that up. The only info I can find on the site is to email lists@gossamer-threads.com for more information. Since I'm only a lurker on this project I don't think I would be the best one to do this... I do think we need to get an archive and a FAQ up quickly (which I would love to get involved in, but I assume we are waiting for the new wiki) because it seems that every new person who posts is asking the same couple of questions.
I think making the archive available so that search engines can reach it would be useful.
A search on Google for "roundcube javascript error" should find matches in such an archive and allow people to resolve their problems quickly.
On 10/13/05, Jon Riddle list@jdrnetworking.com wrote:
As Geuis pointed out, there is no link to an archive. What would be really nice is if previous mailing list messages could be imported into the forum, assuming they still exist somewhere...
Jon
Hmm.. you might wanna check the mailing list archive before doing
that.
Actually, I'm not sure if there is a mailing list archive, and in
that
case, I can understand your actions.
Point is, there has been extensive discussion on how to handle project communication, so I highly doubt that those involved are just going to start using your forums 'just like that'.
But this seems to be a very friendly list (been monitoring since it started), so I'm sure any input you give will be appreciated.
Jeff
Geuis Teses wrote:
Mailing lists are a very inefficient means of communicating on an open-source project.
I've setup forums for RoundCube at my website. I am *more* than
willing
to let these be permanent for the project.
Link to the forums is here:
http://forums.thetechgurus.net/index.php?c=5
There are 3 forums as of now: Discussion, Coding, and Bugs.
I would like the developers of this project to contact me also so
that
we can further discuss intergrating the forums into the main project webpage.
-Geuis Teses
-- Brennan Stehling : http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/
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